Hi guys, looking at a Leupold VX5HD 3-18x44 CDS ZL2 Firedot or a Leica Amplus 2.5-15x50i
Will be going on a 308, which would you guys choose?
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Hi guys, looking at a Leupold VX5HD 3-18x44 CDS ZL2 Firedot or a Leica Amplus 2.5-15x50i
Will be going on a 308, which would you guys choose?
Leupold
Leupold
Leupold
Leupold or Arken
Leupold...I think, I'll be upgrading the Pulsar NV this year. my preference is a V6HD cds firedot zl2 or a good thermal. I've .yet to read through Tahr's thread re Hikmicro & Arken gear yet
Wow, thanks guys. I’ve only ever run leupolds so looks like I’ll keep it that way. Is the VX6 worth the extra 800-1k over the vx5?
Leupy over Leica for a hunting rifle. Wait for one to come up 2nd hand.
leupold mainly for the fact the aftermarket backup is amazing
How far are you going to be shooting realistically? Mate has a VX3HD. Running 110gr TSX. Good night nurse for all animals.It is impressive to watch. Right hand gun which he shoots left handed. 2C.
This is absolutely true but that may change..................................as I believe distributor is possibly changing after many yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
My VX3 doesn’t hold me back in ways that the VX6 wouldn’t, the only practical difference I really notice is the weight.
Disclaimer to the above is that they are different scopes on different rifles and I haven’t done the Pepsi/Coke challenge to compare them, it’s a bit of an informed guess.
It's confirmed but it's not necessarily changing for the worse. There has been a weird relationship here in NZ where one distributor has been buying the scopes from an Aussie distributor and that own Aussie company's NZ offshoot hasn't been able to sell the scopes here. Now it's coming in house. I'm tentatively optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
Leupold have a good warranty, and they need it. That’s true.
Also run a Leupold VX3HD on my 308. Goes mean and only in the 2.5-8 but might not be shooting the distance you intend too. Found the 5HD to be a bit bulkier.
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how far you shooting? is weight important? the leica will be big and heavy.
currently running a vx5 3 to 15 and a vx3 3.5 to 10. have shot gongs out to 610 yards easy peasy with the vx3 and my short barrel 7mm08. was worried ten power might be a hindrance but nope. all good. plus it's halfish the size of the vx5.
the only difference between the vx5 and the vx6 is the the turrets to my knowledge the glass is the same.
the vx5 lives on the wsm and I'm happy with that.
the vx3 suits the little kimber classic. tried a z5 but it was looong in relation to the action and I didn't feel the love.
plus ki love the alumina scope caps to cover the glass when fighting through wet nasty scratchy stuff.
Normal shots would be anywhere from 100-350. I’ve got a VX3L but it’s quite old (2009) and having an AO/side focus would be good to make things more sharper and crisp.
VX5 will be fine for those shots, don't think you need the extra zoom of a 3-18 vx6 unless you prefer a thinner cross hair which I do prefer on a VX6.
Vx6 is way ahead of the vx5 in glass quality just like z5 vs z6 in the Swarovski the more you spend the better you get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackfern
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Never owned a Leica so I can't comment.
However I've owned plenty of leupolds. I've got a vx5 2-10 on my 308 and got a vx6 3-18 on my 284.
I've not once felt undergunned with the 2-10 on the 308 even on the tops. This is from a good few years of shooting from bush to clearings and the like. 2-10 in my opinion with a vx5 is a optimal magnification range for the humble 308 and you'll save on weight by doing so. Hope this information helps you make a informed decision! Always exciting buying new things!
This is consistent with my experience with Leupolds. Have had many and every one let me down. Leupolds reliability is defined by the exception not the norm.
https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/...uation.314762/
Leica allllll day , vx5/6 are over priced junk
I would go the leica amplus 6 3-18x44i
It has very good reviews, a fine aiming point for long range, better glass and i would expect it to be far more reliable than a leupold.
I wouldnt put much weight on this report.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
The tester hasn't even said what range he was shooting at and there are no scale markings on the paper.
The return to zero test as described is chaotic and we should be able to see all the shots in one view, Clearly marked but we don’t.
We would need to see comparison using the same rifle and shooter with a known good scope. If the results are good say < 1 moa groups and return to zero from 20 MOA in each direction - then good ! But if it doesnt then its equally likely the rifle, shooter, rest system, ammo, perhaps even wind are contributing significant variation.
There are many makes and models that have been tested in the same series for comparison. Leupolds have consistently been poor under the same test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagheera
Some brands have been consistently good. E.g. n
So theres another page with the verification data covering shooter, rifle, mounting, ammo grouping and stability over time ?
And standardisation of shooting position and rests used between zero stability tests on different days ?
You know there isn’t. There’s consistent methodology and clear trends though. Some very popular brands perform poorly. Not definitively but indicatively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagheera
No doubt unpalatable for the gold ring brigade but a quite predictable result. :)
If you read the page(s) outlining how the tests are conducted I'd say this is the most formidably scientific test one could conduct on scope robustness. Anyone who uses a 30 shot group to test the rifles baseline accuracy is both an educated and scientific person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagheera
Well my vx3i 3.5-10 works as it should on my kimber 308, after many years of bush bashing. The only failure I got was from talley scope mounts in aluminium that splitted in half. I replaced the whole mounting system with leupold steel bases and rings and never looked back.
My vx3 4.5x14 has been to fiordland during ten days of hard going, where the rifle was used as a walking stick so much that there was no butt pad left on the carbon stock .on the last day, I got challenged by my mates to shoot a spot of about 5” diameter on a big rock at 635m. And got it on the first cold bore shot.
And that rifle has been on previous trips in kaimanawa and South Island for thar shooting without missing a beat. ( rem7 in 7saum).
Maybe I got lucky and got the best leupold scopes of the batch. But actually , I don’t think so, there are so many leupolds sold worldwide and set up on rifles that work so flawlessly .
On the other hand, I have two mates of mine in Europe who are professional hunting guides, one got a flash Leica that lasted only one year before completing craping out ( rubber illumination button cracking, scope not holding zero) and the other one had a top of the line zeiss, and the side focus/ illumination cap completely fell out in the middle of a driven hunt.
Buy both.
Buy a second 308 the same as the one you already have.
Mount both scopes identically.
Field test them side by side.
Sell me the the rifle with the Leica for 50% of what you paid for it.
Win win for both of us............:thumbsup:
@Tentman. Drop tests for various scopes are not consistent. Yes, tests from standard heights but inconsistent with surface used to drop onto. This in itself skews results. A minor detail among others maybe but puts doubts in my mind.
I stumbled across the rokslide.com methods page:
You might need to search for “Scope Field Eval Explanation and Standards” as the address didnt copy from the address bar.
Its quite a large web site.
Apparently all tests are done using rifles with integral rails ( but still with mounting rings) and action permanently bedded to the stock (fairly unusual). The initial return to zero test is said to be done by winding back and forth “200 mils”. For comparison the VX5 3-15 has a total elevation range of 22 mRad. Tracking test is said to be done by alternate shots up and down 10 mils which is about a typical adjustment between 100m and 1000m for a lot of cartridges. They dismiss the possibility that shooter technique could affect zero. It could be just that they are better at doing technical stuff than explaining what they did .
Trujicon (sp) consistently come out well, shame they are so expensive here.
Where's Andy saying "buy once cry once" with an NX8.
It's about the only this missing from this thread now.
You saved me a job thanks beetroot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
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Thread has gone a bit sideways as they tend to so may as well throw this up out of pure interest, PRS based. Scopes have to handle some rough and tumble in this game.
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If you are weight-conscious the VX-3 range is a good option. Quite a lot lighter than the VX-5. I have recently dropped down zoom and diameter and gone without parallax as I realistically wasn't using any of the above and I saved about 200 grams or so on the scope. VX-3 has a excellent quality/weight/price ratio in my opinion. The 3.5-10 x 40 one gets good recommendations and is well-usable for sensible hunting ranges for a 308.
I’m in the same situation at the moment, I’ve just bought a .270 Tikka and can’t decide what glass it’s getting. Vx5hd or z5!
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Z5 is lighter and less bulky and more zoom but eye relief is more critical so try both then decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun-boat
If you do any range shooting go for the 4w reticle on the z5 it's finer and much better at distance.
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