What are they talking about? False claims around firearms

Just an idea we should list all the false/biased claims around firearms from media or government announcement. Or anything you heard from elsewhere. We shall correct those claims and try give the public a balanced story.

To start:
"Assault rifles" we don't have assault rifles which has selective fire - full auto and/or burst. MSSA is semi auto only.

"High calibre" 223/5.56 is a small calibre, intermediate cartridge. It's essentially the same calibre as the .22LR

"No one needs MSSA" professional pest control, 3 gun/multigun/service rifle shooters and any other fit n proper person who has legit use of the said firearms beg to differ. We could also argue no one needs a car that is capable of driving over 100 km/h and we should ban all those cars.

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Originally Posted by hauraki

Just an idea we should list all the false/biased claims around firearms from media or government announcement. Or anything you heard from elsewhere. We shall correct those claims and try give the public a balanced story.

To start:
"Assault rifles" we don't have assault rifles which has selective fire - full auto and/or burst. MSSA is semi auto only.

"High calibre" 223/5.56 is a small calibre, intermediate cartridge. It's essentially the same calibre as the .22LR

"No one needs MSSA" professional pest control, 3 gun/multigun/service rifle shooters and any other fit n proper person who has legit use of the said firearms beg to differ. We could also argue no one needs a car that is capable of driving over 100 km/h and we should ban all those cars.

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I have made this example many times. Imagine the uproar....

You have to have your Subaru / V8 / Turbo'd Vehicle listed on your 1E license endorsement. (1 is for normal cars and 1E is for sports cars) Also known as RSSC for Racing Style Sports Car

Because these sports cars are sought after by crims (See subaru theft etc) and are used in car chases with police (See note 1) they require additional security such as an alarmed steel shed with three locks on every door.

Only the driver that has this car attached to their license can use it. It cannot be lent or shared or left outside when not in use.

You require additional background checks to make sure you are a fit and proper person to own such a car.

Media and the general public hate you and want to ban your car because it will kill them and their children. They see no need to be able to drive such a vehicle.

It was designed for the race track and has no place on the road.

Having mag wheels added makes any car a sports type car. (Equivalent to a large capacity magazine)

Having fluffy dice or flames painted on the side makes it a sports type car. (Equivalent to having a pistol grip - makes no difference but looks aggressive)


Ooops, I may have put too much thought into this.....


Note 1; I refer to car chases as they are not pursuits. It is not the cp causing this, it is the fleeing driver....

why do people doubt that the media is biased against us and will drive public opinion till we are all gone.

I recall an article last year where a reporter with no shooting experience went to a range with Nicole Mckee, the inital aprehension became enjoyment. She is probably not allowed to submit stories and now only makes the tea.

Recently “military style semi automatic rifles can shoot faster than other semi automatic rifles”. I just don’t understand how my finger slows down when put down my AR15 and I pick up my 10/22.

My finger went bloody well last night. Got that old norinco smoking hot!

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Originally Posted by Rushy

Recently “military style semi automatic rifles can shoot faster than other semi automatic rifles”. I just don’t understand how my finger slows down when put down my AR15 and I pick up my 10/22.

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Strange things happen in our world, @Rushy. :ORLY:

One media article not frothing at the mouth or full of lies.

I wonder if he will still have a job?

https://www.sunlive.co.nz/blogs/1313..._lEKCTdmJbxoQc

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

One media article not frothing at the mouth or full of lies.

I wonder if he will still have a job?

https://www.sunlive.co.nz/blogs/1313..._lEKCTdmJbxoQc

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What a well reasoned and thought out article. Bit sick of people blabbering on about why do you even need an assault rifle? "And I'm glad they have banned them" once you explain that an assault rifle has always needed a C catagory license they suddenly get all confused and unsure of themselves

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Hi all,

This is Pretty IMPORTANT to be aware of..

1. AR-15

The AR stands for Armalite, the original manufacturer/developer. Stoners mates.

Not “Assault Rifle”

Originally designed it is an assault rifle but only when capable of select fire. They actually aren’t “assault rifles” ( a/e cat versions )

2. There is way more than 1.5 million guns in NZ.

You really think over 150 years of history & conflicts there is only 1.5 million guns....

3. The fact it was committed/exploited by a foreigner. Not a kiwi.

4. If they don’t offer market value and modest reimbursement for these firearms they will not get them handed in, this needs to be overwhelming emphasised to the public and made sure of. The media has the power to promote this.

In the end we all know deep down we/they/the arms act ~ whoever, fucked up. Buying hi cap mags without the need of a license was nuts ( the actual only thing that made then partially “military style” compared to a fucking bayonet lug ect ect ). I remember as a new shooter thinking that was fucked, and why it was that way??

Thanks for reading :)

Cheers [emoji482]






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I would make the edit to:

'Buying high cap mags without a license...'!!!!

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

I would make the edit to:

'Buying high cap mags without a license...'!!!!

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Correct, and done [emoji1303]


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I had to wait to get my "lifetime" licence.
Had a warrant for my arrest unpaid traffic ticket was stopping it.
Between getting this ticket and finding out I was wanted I had been interviewed by the police after I was run over on my motorbike.
I must have been hard to find.
Knew most of the local cops personally.
Shows how much effort wasn't made by the police.
After I got the local cop out of the squash club to arrest me (pay my fine rather than contest) I took my brand new licence I then got with me to the local dealer to get reloading components primers, powder wads projectiles that long I can't remember exactly.
When I produced my newly acquired licence I was told under the new laws you don't need a license for components.

I thought about it for second and asked them the following could I buy an action this week a barrel next and later a stock and they said "yep isn't it ridiculous ".
I wonder how much say licence holders had in the drafting of the law.
The laws do need change and have for a long time.
Loopholes need to be closed and the inconvenience of having to produce your license to purchase firearms and related equipment is nothing really when you think about it.
But people who know about and use "guns" which is us need to have a input into tidying up the laws.
The general public would probably be surprised how licenced holders will promote sensible changes.




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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12213143

"While some semi-automatic rifles can be bought with a basic gun licence, repetitive semi-automatic weapons with extended magazine capability of the sort witnesses describe need a special category of gun licence."
Umm?

PROPAGANDA

If you can tell a car from an apple, then you should be able to tell news from propaganda.

Tussock I’m dyslexic and even I can tell the difference between a car and an apple even though I drive a lemon and who cares there all spelt the same in my world;):XD:

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Originally Posted by hauraki

Just an idea we should list all the false/biased claims around firearms from media or government announcement. Or anything you heard from elsewhere. We shall correct those claims and try give the public a balanced story.

To start:
"Assault rifles" we don't have assault rifles which has selective fire - full auto and/or burst. MSSA is semi auto only.

"High calibre" 223/5.56 is a small calibre, intermediate cartridge. It's essentially the same calibre as the .22LR

"No one needs MSSA" professional pest control, 3 gun/multigun/service rifle shooters and any other fit n proper person who has legit use of the said firearms beg to differ. We could also argue no one needs a car that is capable of driving over 100 km/h and we should ban all those cars.

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Yeah go argue that a .223 is “essentially” the same as a .22, because that’s a great argument to have.

Go argue to ban all cars that go over 100km [emoji106].

All this talk lately mostly sounds like hysterical garbage and will actually end up doing more harm than good.


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Originally Posted by Rushy

Recently “military style semi automatic rifles can shoot faster than other semi automatic rifles”. I just don’t understand how my finger slows down when put down my AR15 and I pick up my 10/22.

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With you @Rushy a slow finger, (aaarrgghh) is age related, switch from firearms to lady’s of the night for therapy!

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Originally Posted by timattalon

I have made this example many times. Imagine the uproar....

You have to have your Subaru / V8 / Turbo'd Vehicle listed on your 1E license endorsement. (1 is for normal cars and 1E is for sports cars) Also known as RSSC for Racing Style Sports Car

Because these sports cars are sought after by crims (See subaru theft etc) and are used in car chases with police (See note 1) they require additional security such as an alarmed steel shed with three locks on every door.

Only the driver that has this car attached to their license can use it. It cannot be lent or shared or left outside when not in use.

You require additional background checks to make sure you are a fit and proper person to own such a car.

Media and the general public hate you and want to ban your car because it will kill them and their children. They see no need to be able to drive such a vehicle.

It was designed for the race track and has no place on the road.

Having mag wheels added makes any car a sports type car. (Equivalent to a large capacity magazine)

Having fluffy dice or flames painted on the side makes it a sports type car. (Equivalent to having a pistol grip - makes no difference but looks aggressive)

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Stealing this, best analogy yet

A calmer, more fact based article from the NZ Herald.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12215540

Agree, apart from this bit...

"In seeking to achieve that ideal, it also pushes a strong self-improvement component - the type of values system right-wing celebrity pop psychologist Jordan Peterson advocates - eating well, exercising, keeping tidy."

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Originally Posted by Tussock

PROPAGANDA

If you can tell a car from an apple, then you should be able to tell news from propaganda.

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its only propaganda if the media tells you it is other wise they are both apples

just to keep our sense of humour alive here and not let the media control us I heard that @Rushy was converting his range into a 10 pin bowling alley :D

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Originally Posted by northdude

just to keep our sense of humour alive here and not let the media control us I heard that @Rushy was converting his range into a 10 pin bowling alley :D

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Ha ha ha ha I don’t have the money for that. Pétanque anyone?

how about a manly bar that sells Waikato :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by northdude

how about a manly bar that sells Waikato :thumbsup:

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Potentially. Would need to run power down for the fridge.

it would still taste the same wouldn't it :) I can donate some tui or since im a bit old a crate of lion red

Just tap into ya septic tank:XD:

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Originally Posted by Tussock

PROPAGANDA

If you can tell a car from an apple, then you should be able to tell news from propaganda.

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@Tussock Right you are, but how does that help when the media cannot tell an apple from an arsehole? (Oh wait, they can tell them apart, but the choose not to because lies sell articles.)

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Agree, apart from this bit...

"In seeking to achieve that ideal, it also pushes a strong self-improvement component - the type of values system right-wing celebrity pop psychologist Jordan Peterson advocates - eating well, exercising, keeping tidy."

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So it seems my parents were indoctrinating me into their whites supremacists ways. I never new. Shame on them, good thing I never rally paid attention.

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Originally Posted by sneeze

So it seems my parents were indoctrinating me into their whites supremacists ways. I never new. Shame on them, good thing I never rally paid attention.

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Me too. Guess deep down I must have hated my Polynesian mates and Asian relatives.

if we keep getting the shit taxed out of us we wont be able to pay anything :D

I'm tired of stakeholders being referred to, and therefore dismissed as The Gun Lobby.

I'm disappointed that influential people who should know better are pushing the notion, that the only reason to posses a firearm is for hunting.
It might be Swazi and H&Fs opinion that semis have little place in the hunting world, but who are they to decide for the other shooting disciplines and bona fide collectors.

This is undermining, accelerated and undemocratic.

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Originally Posted by gadgetman

Me too. Guess deep down I must have hated my Polynesian mates and Asian relatives.

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A bit like how its impossible for me to be a white supremacist gun lover. :D

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

A bit like how its impossible for me to be a white supremacist gun lover. :D

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I'm more a transparent feeble firearm owner.