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I'll post pics in the morning. Accuracy with 162 Amax went to shit. Ended up trying a bunch of different projectiles and now use 120 Pro Hunters. Golf ball sized groups at 100 yds, and enough energy to happily shoot deer out to 400yds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
That would erk me. The old 6.5x47 made me a picky prick with groups even though i know its not really needed. very cool project tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
My 260 is 3.5kg all up with dpt, vx3 and rings. A real dream to carry and shoot
^^^This.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneeze
I’ve tried the lightweight thing, like sub-6lbs bare rifle in 7mm and .30 cal, and didn’t get on with it.
In .223 or similar it’s ok, but for me accurate field shooting of more powerful cartridges from iffy positions needs more weight.
I guess my 6mm and 6.5mm chassis rigs don’t really count as lightweight, at 13.5lbs... bloody accurate though!
yea I only have lightweight 243s and below
a suppressor or brake will help a ton
kimbers make a fantastic carry gun and it will often come with me when I would have left a heavier rifle at home
there is no such thing as too light, Its just a skill to shoot a really light rifle as its quite a bit harder than a porky sako to shoot freestanding
kind of like driving a car with fucked shocks
My old T3 with 24.5" fluted #4 barrel, T1 brake, VX6HD and one of Kens stocks. I was happy with this weight, I reckon it was light enough to shoot well in most positions.
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Want to sell it? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by superdiver
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@Stocky, here ya go
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Not sure why around 1.5 MOA would "erk" you, unless you are shooting flies ? In my book that is well within minute-of-deer/goat :D
Interesting that guys who regularly shoot really accurate rifles for score (i.e. there is no hiding as in the old one good group thing or "called fliers") are comfortable with more realistic accuracy for their hunting rifles!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
EBF - could you please give the approximate dimensions of your barrel profile. Thanks
@Tentman
.630 at muzzle, chamber end is .940 - the aim was to get as much "meat" off the barrel as possible.
Yeah man, I have Palma barrels that I expect a lot more from... :thumbsup:
Wanting every rifle in the safe to shoot the mythical 0.5 moa groups "all day long" is nuts in my book. 3 (and even 5-shot) groups make me have a good old chuckle :P Gimp's 5x5 challenge is much more realistic, it mirrors what you typically have in high-end for-score comps : 4 or 5 strings of 10 shots per day.
With my hunting rigs, if I can consistently shoot 5 shots into an apple sized ring at 100 yds, I am happy to go for a walk. With the 45/70, if I can hit an A4 sized piece of paper several times in a row at 100 yds, that is a good day.
I mean the 5x5 group thing I posted approx a million years ago is a relatively good way to determine whether your rifle actually does consistently shoot "moa groups all day" within the bounds of reasonability, but for hunting purposes a more relevant test is firing a single shot at a target, cold bore, every time you go to the range - and mapping whether those first shots are within a suitable displacement range from point of aim
I think my Sako 85 finn with DPT, 3-18x Mk6, sling and cheek riser is about 3.8kg - and that's a comfortable weight to carry although not what I'd call "light".
Kiwi Greg has been putting together a light/short M7 .223 for me which I hope will come in quite a bit less than that with an old 3.5-10x Mk4 on it and some lightweight components
What weight are you hoping for. And what twist?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
My dirty old wooden stocked Model Seven 260 with Vixen 2.5 - 15 scope comes in at 3.2 KG
The scope is almost 600 grams of that... if I welded on some wooden sights I could be well under 3kg
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Originally Posted by Tahr
1:8 for 75-80gr. Might regret not going 1:7 for 88s at some stage but it looks like it shoots mint...
I'm hoping something in the 2.3-2.5kg range bare so 3.0-3.2ish maybe with scope and suppressor. Bit of a guess at numbers, they don't really matter so much as "it will be shorter and lighter than my .260"
On my old analogue scales carefully calibrated with a 500gn block of butter!!
My original Terminator Products Custom M700 (POS) 6.5SAUM 26inch barrel with McMillan Carbon Stock incl DPT magnum suppressor, no sling, scope or rings = 3.3kgs
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Its replacement (that supprisingly actually fired extracts cases like it should)
Kimber Montana 300WSM 20 inch barrel and 2.5-8 VX3i +talley rings + Sling and DPT magnum suppressor = 3.25kgs
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What length barrel? And intended bullets? Interested as I have a recently acquired 1:8 twist .223.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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Originally Posted by Dama dama
18 and wanted to use 75gr ELD-M but it looks like the 80 ELD-M shoots better so 80gr it is.
Last question :) Intended us? TaQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Being a bit easier to carry for a fat office worker like me when I go hunting more or less anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
E: I just like .223 for light recoil + effectiveness and wanted a rifle that I could use AICS mags for loading long OAL with heavier high BC bullets
I like it mate. And I know it doesn't matter realistically but I've got that type of mindset. Plus sounds like youve been shooting long enough you completely trust yourself whereas I want my rifle to do every bit it can to minimise any tolerance stacking. I know it's mostly in my head but I can't help but think it matters when shooting at 500ish if it's needed. I'm not bagging the idea I rate it highly and its something I would probably try if I had your skill and equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
I've had a couple of light weight rifles a Forbes.260 very nice to carry and great as a straight out hunting rifle and years ago a Kimber Montana .260 which I hated the safety on.
But I wanted a more of an all-round rifle so I brought a Tikka.260 with a bit more weight fitted with a DPT and VX5 it was around 3.5kg I think, now I have a Sako Finlight 2 in Creedmoor with DPT and VX5 it's just on 4kg so not light but man it shoots. I would love it to be lighter.
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For me around 3.5kg is a sweet spot, not to heavy to lug about and not to light that is dances about when shooting. I can certainly understand the desire for a going under 3kgs for those guys who do long as trips in the back country.
My tikka is like 3.6 kegs with vx5, suppressor and bits. By the time I throw a stock pack on, forward rail for the bipod and a sling carry weight is 4kg, still sweet but I find myself slinging it more often. I would consider this a typical or average weight for a hunting rifle in the modern era.
My kimber hunter is now 2.8kg with a full mag, suppressor and little 6 power vx3. Was like almost 400 grams of sound deadening goop in the stock which I pulled out. That's with my overbarrel can, will be almost 100g lighter again if I run my muzzle forward dpt
Pretty good economical option for a very lightweight gun. Everything was purchased second hand bar the suppressor (which I allready had from the ar). Even factoring the new price of the can the whole thing owes me less than $2k. Bloody good for a proper ultralight rifle still capable out to 400 or so.
Scope choice is equally important if you want a lightweight rig. Easy to add 750g - 1kg with a heavy scope rail and ring setup.
The kimber feels like a toy in hand. Pretty lively recoil though, even being a 6.5 creed shooting 130's. Would be pretty close to the 284 tikka with 162's in terms of felt recoil. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6e2b9bcd8b.jpg
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