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The new guy looks to be making a big splash: without looking at the evidence (thought he was a detective?!?) - the easy target is those who abide by the law...:omg:
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The new guy looks to be making a big splash: without looking at the evidence (thought he was a detective?!?) - the easy target is those who abide by the law...:omg:
Surely you meant 'Defective'? :yaeh am not durnk:
"military style semi's can be brought in and then we lose track" ??
hang on. mssa's are already registered !!
seems we got rid of one moron and had another put in place. i pointed out this blatantly false statement on the radio nz facebook page. Seems the new moron hasnt been to canada either.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
I want an "assault style " rifle. Where do I get one? Is any rifle assault style if you assault someone with it? Or do you need a fancy salmon shirt to be in assault style?
I want a police force who operate within their mandate: this shouldn't be too hard. If they did this, I imagine there wouldn't be the great need to persecute law abiding people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Think of it like this: there is nothing in current legislation which prohibits someone from owning a Ferrari (leaving aside the wanker factor - it is still legal). The owner is very capable of breaking the law (as is everyone owning a Corolla....) - cars are registered and just as capable of killing people. Firearms licence holders ARE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD, yet are still persecuted because there are people who chose to operate outside the law. (There are also people who choose to drive without a valid drivers license - and are arguably more visible than those who use firearms without a license....).
There is nothing stopping the police targeting those who drive without a license, or those who have illegal firearms - it seems that one gets better headlines (from our biased media....) than others, so one garners more attention than the other.
Mine is an anti terrorism defence rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Here we go again. Another ill-informed idiot with a bandwagon ready for him to jump on. And another stupid opinion. O'Connor and Crusher Collins reckon legitimate firearms owners are not a target in their newest firearms enquiry - yeah right. It seems to me that the colletive aim is to get rid of firearms altogether. Good luck with that. Soon enough, we will all have to go to the gangs to get licences and firearms, because they will be the only ones who have them. Why don't Collins & Co talk to Canada to find out what happened to their efforts at firearms registration? Is it too simple for them? Gods, all they have to do is look at what has happened in the UK and Oz since their respective clampdowns on gun ownership. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall reading that shootings and firearms offences have increased in both countries. As for Canada; they spent untold millions (or was it some billions) on gun registration and that had no impact on crime at all and cost so much that in the end the scheme was abandoned. It seems that we can feel a little smug about our own "more enlightened" attitude to gun ownership and decrease in gun-related crime, but how long will it last with dickhead dweebs like this new PA prsident squawking crap at the media, who will never let the facts get in the way of a dramatic headline? And the police membership voted this cnut in, as they did O'Connor. Did they expect something different. Nope, they want more of the same, it seems. Some fuckwit bleating on their behalf about the budget. Wish they would find someone capable of slightly more research and creative thinking instead of jumping into a ready made attitude.
And the fact that police want to be armed..... scary concoction!
Don't think that your Rem 700 is safe anymore guys just look at Australia!
This is why Everyone needs to get involved with a organisation like Colfo or the NSA.
We should ban cars they kill more people than assault rifles and non assault rifles put together they quiet often kill multiple people in one goQuote:
Originally Posted by Nickoli
Lets just ban people, solve all the problems.
rthe most dangerous organism on this fucking planet is right between a humans ears ..full bloody stop.eliminate that and bingo you eliminate all mistakes ,humanity ,policeman and politicians in one swipe-shit im good!
I have no time for or good opinion of politicians as a species but we shooters should be checking out those that are running in the election next year for their position on law abiding firearms owners
and support those that are positive towards us no matter which party they are from, All other issues are of no consequence if we end up with a government bent on taking our guns,
We are not Americans who will with out a doubt start a war with their government over firearm restrictions they are already talking about it on shooting forums right now so watch out for ammo and component
shortages in the near future,
If Clinton wins and tries to pass anti gun laws it could be all on in the new year,
It pisses me off that the NZ public and government think that we are anything like Americans, Our shooting culture is completely different to theirs to compare us to them is an insult sure we have some total dipsticks
but the large majority are very good honest law abiding citizens that deserve more respect than they give us.
Its just the Police Association. He is not in a position to change anything.
Unfortunately the media seem to lap up whatever they say, and do their best to make the general public and politicians think the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
I think that's a point lost on many. The police association is not the police; it is a union advocating on behalf of members of the police. Unfortunately it has a very loud voice in the media when it lobbies for gun control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
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Very true and legally no, but the ability to influence public opinion is a hugely powerful attribute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
Plus the media will allways give him the air time he needs whilst doing their best to muffle any sensible responses from the pro gun lobby.
Surely gun owners and gun lobby groups have the same rights to try to influence public opinion as does a union?Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
If the media gives one side more air time, is that the fault of the gun lobby group, the union, or the media?
Unfortunately we (well virtually all of "we") play into their hands with our complacency. How many members of this forum for example "bothered" to send a submission to the current review committee. We have the ability to go off on a forum though. So when we have available air time eg in this case the review committee, we mostly don't avail ourselves of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Oh, and by the way, I didn't submit either.
And yes as the media is actually a business they will present what is most emotive in order for their business to succeed. Therefore they will foster imput from those views that support the changing, or norm public opinion - the customers of the media.
There is no reputable news media anymore. The mainstream outlets are nothing more than click bait stories and left wing propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Grouping "the media" as one entity makes as much sense as grouping all shooters to be the same as Andrew Mears.
I'm yet to see any main stream news outlet that doesn't read from the same song book and tell the story fairly and accurately from both sides of a subject. Firearms is a glaring example, but I have noticed absolute garbage touted as fact in other areas as well that I have an interest in. When you see blatant twisting of stories to suit a prevailing narrative or just to simply insight fear for commercial gain, you start to question what else you are being lied to about, or being told what to think about.
Read somwhere on the weekend that the police association has 95% representation of police
My perspective of the media is different from yours, because my wife works for Newshub. I'll tell her she's not independent and that clearly she's a puppet :wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
As I've said, grouping "the media" , or anyone into one simplistic entity is a fantasy.
All Cops are wankers. All male teachers are pedos. All shooters are reckless killers. All media are anti-gun. Blah blah blah.
As per the original thread, the Police Associations represents Police. That their new boss wants to come up with BS lingo like military assault style rifles while choosing to ignore the current registration system that exists for imports is mischievous at best, or just being very stupid at worst.
My sister works at news hub. didnt stop me publicly calling the bulldog (HDPA) out on her BS, or that the police association president is either incompetent or a liar. Fact checking of the nz media is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the list compared to get out the story fast and and present it in a way to increase viewers. in other words, click bait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
If reading things in the media upsets some of you so much, perhaps you could turn off your television and internet and not read those things?
I'm pretty sure you won't want to believe this, but there is no party line to follow, otherwise she would be in on the meetings dictating the content lines. Apart from the basics of accuracy, journalism, etc. The BSA exists to find against broadcasters who don't get it right. But believing that there's some ultimate force dictating content is something I'm pretty sure I can't convince you of otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
:wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
Is that the stuff that doesn't get published then?
I never said there was any grand conspiracy, I just think that they all run the same narrative and come across as telling you what they think you should think about something, as oppossed to just presenting the facts.
Pretty much everyone and everything on this forum upsets you, yet here you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic