Thread: Why I wouldn't buy Weaver or Nikon scopes...

Like he's got a point I just don't know if it needs to be said. Everyone with half a clue knows what they're getting into buying 2nd hand optics. As for me I'd happily buy either brand for the right money. nikon especially fly under the radar in this country.

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Originally Posted by Cartman

Everyone with half a clue knows what they're getting into buying 2nd hand optics.
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Although I'm not a fan of Leupold tracking, one just has to be a fan of their warranty...same with Vortex. So buying 2nd hand scopes from some brands is no gamble whatsoever....in fact buying a 2nd hand leupold is nearly as good as buying new.

Originally Posted by Hermitage

Although I'm not a fan of Leupold tracking, one just has to be a fan of their warranty...same with Vortex. So buying 2nd hand scopes from some brands is no gamble whatsoever....in fact buying a 2nd hand leupold is nearly as good as buying new.

And most people know that. And you pay for it when buying new or 2nd hand. Like I said is what it is. Vortex though , they just had to do it or they would be out of business. Replacing scopes was probably easier than fixing production.

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Originally Posted by Hermitage

Although I'm not a fan of Leupold tracking, one just has to be a fan of their warranty...same with Vortex. So buying 2nd hand scopes from some brands is no gamble whatsoever....in fact buying a 2nd hand leupold is nearly as good as buying new.

Well this just isn’t true.

Vortex (Aus/NZ) has a very well documented history of declining warranty claims on the basis of no proof of purchase, contrary to what it says on the American website that everyone assumes applies to all international markets.

The Australian and New Zealand market is controlled by ExtraVision, who have in the past have been very sniffy about scopes potentially acquired in the grey market or imported directly from overseas. Several members on this forum have had problems along these lines. The Broncos situation is also one for the annals, being that they buy direct from the US and circumvent ExtraVision, annoying the Vortex distributor and their retailers immensely!

Buying a secondhand Vortex without proof of purchase in NZ/Aus and then trying on a warranty claim is therefore a risk with an uncertain outcome. Some guys have been successful sending their un-receipted scopes back to ExtraVision, or direct to Vortex in the USA, whereas other guys have been unsuccessful. Lots written about this that I guess if you had read and digested you would be aware of.

That said, I am in awe of your ability to start a largely pointless thread on a Sunday arvo!

Originally Posted by Flyblown

That said, I am in awe of your ability to start a largely pointless thread on a Sunday arvo!

Well @Flyblown it looks like you and @Nickoli don't appreciate my contribution to the forum and are happy to put them down.

I put it to you both that the members on this forum should know that their primary role is to interact and encourage interaction, to encourage member involvement, and to encourage a sense of community.

However, it seems to me that the main role/priority of both of you is to put others down over their writtings. At least there is a contribution....why don't you write a few articles to contribute to the community rather than just add to the negativity?

I'm heading out for a evening shoot in 20 mins but don't tell @Nickoli as he will think I am making it up....

I have a Weaver 3x on my .300 Blk and a P223 Nikon on my .223 and am very happy with them. So long as I don't do anything stupid they should see me out, and I don't have a warranty either!

Well, Im gonna disagree with Hermitage, I have had a number of Weaver scopes over the years and cant fault them. Never had any warranty issues whatsoever. My first was a 3X Micro Trac way back in 1976, still on my mates 22 and it gets used and abused on his work 22. It has never failed. At last count I had 12 Weavers, cos quite simply they represented the best value for money scope in times when I didn't have that much money. Would buy a second hand Weaver again if I considered the price was right, hell yes! A warranty doesnt worry me in the slightest, if it breaks, it breaks, so what.
Not too sure about the Nikon's, I was too fixated on buying Weavers to look at Nikon's.

Originally Posted by Husky1600

Well, Im gonna disagree with Hermitage, I have had a number of Weaver scopes over the years and cant fault them. Never had any warranty issues whatsoever. My first was a 3X Micro Trac way back in 1976, still on my mates 22 and it gets used and abused on his work 22. It has never failed. At last count I had 12 Weavers, cos quite simply they represented the best value for money scope in times when I didn't have that much money. Would buy a second hand Weaver again if I considered the price was right, hell yes! A warranty doesnt worry me in the slightest, if it breaks, it breaks, so what.
Not too sure about the Nikon's, I was too fixated on buying Weavers to look at Nikon's.

I fully agree, i use a few Weaver scopes, a 4.5-14 Grandslam, and several SuperSlams, a couple in 2-10 and a couple of 3-15's and also a 4-20x50. Ive found them to be super reliable, great quality scopes, nice glass, accurate and repeatable dialing, and the pull-up to turn/Push down to lock turrets on the Superslams work super well for hunting.

I believe a 2nd hand Weaver Grandslam or Superslam in good condition to offer far better performance and value than many other newer scope manufacturers

Originally Posted by Flyblown

BTW if I come across a good Weaver GrandSlam hunting scope, I’ll snap it up. Great scopes.

Sorry, mines not for sale.

I would add although Burris have a great warranty and product in my opinion. The small print mentions their warranty is only valid in North America.

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Originally Posted by Cartman

I would add although Burris have a great warranty and product in my opinion. The small print mentions their warranty is only valid in North America.

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I had a chip on the lense of my SixX 2-12. God knows how I did it but anyhow.

I paid shipping one way, full repair and no questions asked. Would happily buy another in a heart beat.

I didn't read the fine print but Berretta the agents looked after me. Not saying you're wrong either mate.

Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter

I had a chip on the lense of my SixX 2-12. God knows how I did it but anyhow.

I paid shipping one way, full repair and no questions asked. Would happily buy another in a heart beat.

I didn't read the fine print but Berretta the agents looked after me. Not saying you're wrong either mate.

Yeah I had a mate import one and he showed me it. I'm glad it came good for you.

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Originally Posted by Cartman

I would add although Burris have a great warranty and product in my opinion. The small print mentions their warranty is only valid in North America.

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Maybe it says that on the warranty but I don't think that is how it is applied.

I bought a Burris 2-7 in the late seventies, it was a good scope but found itself utilised as a replacement on an AR for another brand of scope that had succumbed to vibration, this one went the same way and was sent to Burris in the US for repair by the then NZ agent. It never returned and was deemed lost by Burris with the NZ agent offering, on behalf of Burris, to replace it with a new scope of the same value. I got a new Burris Signature for an additional $100 and used it until the vertical erector failed last roar. I took this scope to H&F who returned it to Bretta NZ who deemed it irrepearable and gave me a new Burris 2-10 Signature in replacement. So for the scope I paid maybe $300 for about 40 years ago I have the latest version of a better model at the total cost of $100 to me.

At least you make me laugh… for that you are a guaranteed winner mate, so thank you!

Originally Posted by Flyblown

At least you make me laugh… for that you are a guaranteed winner mate, so thank you!

And I must admit to not understanding your specific kind of arrogance and sense of humour, but I do admire your total commitment to it.

Ok time for the hills...

You’ll get there in the end buddy.

BTW if I come across a good Weaver GrandSlam hunting scope, I’ll snap it up. Great scopes.