Thread: Why I wouldn't buy Weaver or Nikon scopes...

Simple...They are both out of the scope business.

That means NO warranty, NO parts, and NO service centers.

Therefore if I was to buy a second-hand one it would be a gamble.
And with any gamble, you have to ask yourself: "Can I absorb the loss if my gamble doesn’t pay off?"

However, now that I have said all of the above...one's gamble is dependent on the entry price. For me, the lower the cost of the bet the more likely I am to throw the dice.

Therefore it would have to be one hell of a cheap deal for me to buy one of their scopes these days...no matter how good they once were (are).

Weaver were absolutely shit house with there warranties anyway , you were pretty much on your own if you brought if them brand new. That said the grand slam and super slam series of scopes have great glass for the money and are very reliable.

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Originally Posted by Cartman

That said the grand slam and super slam... are very reliable.

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Until they are not...and then where are you...a door stop?

Have owned several Nikon Monarch scopes and have not had a problem with any, mounted on everything from 22lr right up to 7mm rem mag.
But you are right, I bought them knowing the risk and at a price point dictated by this, I would not pay top dollar for one. That however doesn't mean they are rubbish, it is just a reflection that I accept the risk that if it breaks thats the end of it.

Originally Posted by dannyb

Have owned several Nikon Monarch scopes and have not had a problem with any, mounted on everything from 22lr right up to 7mm rem mag.
But you are right, I bought them knowing the risk and at a price point dictated by this, I would not pay top dollar for one. That however doesn't mean they are rubbish, it is just a reflection that I accept the risk that if it breaks thats the end of it.

Actually I retract my previous statement, all Nikon scopes are rubbish, terrible glass, hopeless tracking, just to name a few issues.
You should send them all to me for disposal hence forth, especially any Monarchs.

Is what it is. Not all scope makers offer life time multiple owner warranties.

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Originally Posted by Hermitage

Simple...They are both out of the scope business.

That means NO warranty, NO parts, and NO service centers.

Therefore if I was to buy a second-hand one it would be a gamble.
And with any gamble, you have to ask yourself: "Can I absorb the loss if my gamble doesn’t pay off?"

However, now that I have said all of the above...one's gamble is dependent on the entry price. For me, the lower the cost of the bet the more likely I am to throw the dice.

Therefore it would have to be one hell of a cheap deal for me to buy one of their scopes these days...no matter how good they once were (are).

...with the minimal respect applicable - do you even go hunting? Or do you just bag products you perceive as overpriced or inconsistent with your stay at home and bag everything mentality?
My father has had a warrantee claim on an old Weaver classic he brought ~15 years ago - and the store replaced it with a new Bushnell of greater value - even though the Weaver was beaten to beyond what anyone could expect to claim on any warrantee (it fogged in the end).

Genuinely interested to hear or see some of your mishaps in the hills - they must be plenty because you only ever seem to moan about products and service with no reference to the "why."

Originally Posted by Nickoli

Genuinely interested to hear or see some of your mishaps in the hills - they must be plenty because you only ever seem to moan about products and service with no reference to the "why."

I gave the "why" for Weaver and Nikon scopes = great scopes but no warranty.
I gave the "why" for Leupold scopes = great scopes but poor tracking

My write ups are from my experiences and my reading. It seems as if you don't want to hear about them...is that correct?

Originally Posted by Hermitage

I gave the "why" for Weaver and Nikon scopes = great scopes but no warranty.
I gave the "why" for Leupold scopes = great scopes but poor tracking

My write ups are from my experiences and my reading. It seems as if you don't want to hear about them...is that correct?

Genuinely interested - some of the anecdotal stuff is interesting, but your throw the line out a bit far on occasion and tend to post these fishing type threads quite regularly. XD

Generally scopes fail at the start of their lives - Upon opening packaging a defect is noticed, mounting or the first few shots fired. At this point they are covered by consumer guarantees act as well as any warranty they may come with. Both Nikon and Weaver have produced excellent scopes with low return rates. From memory the few Nikons we have imported have had a zero return rate so far. Vortex have probably been the worst.

Originally Posted by 55six

Generally scopes fail at the start of their lives - Upon opening packaging a defect is noticed, mounting or the first few shots fired. At this point they are covered by consumer guarantees act as well as any warranty they may come with. Both Nikon and Weaver have produced excellent scopes with low return rates. From memory the few Nikons we have imported have had a zero return rate so far. Vortex have probably been the worst.

No surprises I these comments!

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Originally Posted by 55six

Generally scopes fail at the start of their lives - Upon opening packaging a defect is noticed, mounting or the first few shots fired. At this point they are covered by consumer guarantees act as well as any warranty they may come with. Both Nikon and Weaver have produced excellent scopes with low return rates. From memory the few Nikons we have imported have had a zero return rate so far. Vortex have probably been the worst.

@Hermitage - now this is anecdote that carries a bit more weight than:

Originally Posted by Hermitage

I gave the "why" for Weaver and Nikon scopes = great scopes but no warranty.
I gave the "why" for Leupold scopes = great scopes but poor tracking

Still interested in what you've got to say, albeit it's mostly bagging proven products and posted at times you appear to be bored

The grand slam is one of the best rimfire target scopes ever made
I have had a fair few of them and never had an issue with one that would require fixing
So yes while you are right about them being out of business it’s certainly a calculated risk
Remember a grand slam in good condition goes for 4-600
Another scope with the same specs and a warranty 1600+
So yeah let’s agree to disagree on this one
Same goes for Nikon very solid reliable scopes so you can save alot of money but yes there is a slight risk

I have owned a couple of the Weaver T series target scopes in the past. A T6 and a T16. The glass was good and the tracking was perfect. They were great value for the money and never gave any grief. I have also owned a Weaver 2.5 fixed power that got ragged, bagged and arsholed on a bush gun. it never failed me.

Originally Posted by zeropak

I have owned a couple of the Weaver T series target scopes in the past. A T6 and a T16. The glass was good and the tracking was perfect. They were great value for the money and never gave any grief. I have also owned a Weaver 2.5 fixed power that got ragged, bagged and arsholed on a bush gun. it never failed me.

I had a T16 Weaver. The micro trac seized and the glass fogged up internally.

I also had a Weaver K4 fixed power and that scope went through hell and never gave up...it was bombproof.