Thread: Why are some Sellers not offering shipping?

because the ship via dealer network is awesome BUT police forms make it an information gathering exercise pure and simple..there is eggzachary ZERO need for a police form to do this..ZERO
why??? because the fellas/fellesses at the stores HAVE TO sight firearms licence for person picking it up.....so the form is irrelevant
you could argue if it goes missing in transit the serial number is recorded...umm well it will already be recorded by the seller so nope no dice
its registration via default.

Originally Posted by csmiffy

For the likes of myself I have 2 main reasons for not purchasing a rifle using the new system.
First one is most of my recent purchases are cheap. If they weren't cheap I wouldn't have the shekels for them. Talking several hundred dollars.
Wacking 60-70 bucks on it makes it not so cheap. That's just me and wouldn't be such a deal breaker if the firearm was a thousy plus.
Second is that even though i have a cop shop 5 minutes walk away they don't have a front desk.
Rangoon coppers do but wouldn't do it for me a few years ago.
So I have to drive to Christchurch central to do a form. PITA. That for me now is a Saturday depending if I work that day or finish.
Where is the thought that the local rozzers could get to know me and what I might have like that ass hat Capill keeps wanking on about to justify rego.
The last one is minor. I see any of this paperwork as another method for obtaining details for registration and don't reckon they need help to make that work.
Mind you that is giving them some credit and actually doing it. Don't reckon they have done that in the past especially if they wanted to work out how many of the military style that they wanted squashed but pleaded ignorant to our fearless leaders

The last one is not minor.....

Originally Posted by muzza

I believe that most buyers are honest people. If you truly wanted to remain anonymous then surely shipping via a member of the Firearms Dealers Network would keep your personal address secret from a buyer.

The whole world is not out to get you......

True, I'm actually not as paranoid as it sounds.
Everyone from this forum has been great to deal with and I have no issues with them or almost everyone else, but I've had shit stolen before and just weigh up the risk vs a lower price when selling items. Not a big fan of the current data collection agency methods either.

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

To sell a rifle on Trade Me one does not need a FAL (unless that has changed recently), but you need to have given your FAL details to Trade Me to ask questions or to buy....when it comes time to pickup does one really care if seller has a FAL, seller can demand to see your FAL and no doubt buyer can demand to see sellers FAL, but there in front of you is the rifle you want and a pocket full of money burning a hole in your pocket and caution and legal obligations blows away in the wind.
I have a relative who travels all over NZ on a regular basis and I suggested to him about picking up firearms and delivering them as a side line to his business, of course for this he would need a FAL...we did a dummy run for a forum member picking up a rifle in the SI and bringing it to the NI, picking up the rifle in the SI my FAL was photographed by the seller but seller never offered his FAL for checking, something that has bugged me ever since so we never went ahead with offering a 'courier' service....'once bitten, twice shy'.

The law clearly states that a firearm cannot be given to someone who does not have a license. However, while it also states that someone must have a FAL to posess a firearm , it does not require the sellers license to be checked as the fact that they own it already SHOULD mean they have one. And the police form is a way for the seller to verify the new buyer has a license. Which is why it is sent to the seller.

Originally Posted by NZShoota

You could also ask the buyer for their licence number and run it through the licence checker on the firearms saftey authority website to see if it is a valid number before giving them your details. Not 100% but is another tool to consider.

Unfrotunately this is not accepted as a form of checking the license. Primarily because there is no way for you to check that the person who sent it is actualy the same person on the license. The details required are not hard to get....just buy a rifle on trade me or somewhere, get the sellers details for the police form (Full name, License number, expiry date and addres) then let the sale fall through without getting the form, probably cos the buyer does not have a license and wont be able to get a form anyway....and Viola...you have the details of a valid license with which to run through the checker....

The checker is really in place so dealers can verify that a license presented to them is still current and not cancelled for some reason....

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

If you buy a rifle off me you can even try it out shooting in the back yard....or even take it for a hunt.

I've done the try before you buy up at Pengy's place. Beats farting round with forms, police stations, waiting for ages then going into a shop any day. Then again there was a long gap between agreement and pick up.

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

If you buy a rifle off me you can even try it out shooting in the back yard....or even take it for a hunt.

I got my first centrefire the same way from a GC off the F&H forum, a good deal with a few helpful pointers thrown in.

Originally Posted by muzza

I believe that most buyers are honest people. If you truly wanted to remain anonymous then surely shipping via a member of the Firearms Dealers Network would keep your personal address secret from a buyer.

The whole world is not out to get you......

Its not the buyers that worry me...Its the ones that pretend to be buyers in order to obtain the information you are required to give them for the forms....And for the dealer to dealer network, you must have the form done. There is no anonymous with that....

And finally I agree that the whole world is not out to get us. It is less than 1%....but figuring out which is the 1% trying to get you is the challenge I use the same logic riding a motorcycle.....99% of people are not tossers when driving and will look for bikes etc...it is the 1% who could care less that will try kill a rider through negligence, but telling which car they are in is the challenge...

It's the sellers problem. Why make it yours....?

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

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Why is the sky blue?

Why are some people trolls?

What is this thing I just pulled out of my nose?


Why don't some sellers offfer complimentary tickets to the rugby?


The answer to all of these questions is in your "block" list hahaha

Some of you need to sort your shit out this thread is now locked

I'm not even going to begin wading into the bullshit of if someone is a troll or not, but ffs as pointed out by 308 if you don't want to see posts from a member add them to you blocked/ignore list if their posts effects you so deeply you can't resist the urge to stir the pot.

If you feed a troll it will eat, sleep and shit on your offerings. If you igmore it life goes on and the troll finds somewhere else to feed.
This is not a stab at the O.P just a general observation