Thread: The WORST Firearm You Ever Owned

Originally Posted by Ultimitsu

I have a factory 10/22. Its accuracy was average (actually no worse than the JW15). After a barrel upgrade it is as accurate as my other KIDDs.

Hard to fairly compare a Kidd to a std 10/22, even putting a kids barrel on over doubles the cost of the rifle.

I have a Kidd supergrade, amazing rifle but it's not really a 10/22- twin lugged action bedded into a dinner glass stock with a free floated barrel threaded in. Blindingly accurate but I could buy 8?10? 10/22 for the price.

blue and wood 10/22 is 600. The barrel upgrade was a whistlepig. cost me about 400 I think, about 2/3 the price of a super low end 10/22. A KIDD barrel is about 430 to 560 (see USAguns), still not quite twice the price of a 10/22.

a supergrade KIDD is about 2,000, three times the price of a 10/22. not bad at all considering the price difference of a Annie 1712 and a JW15.

Originally Posted by Ultimitsu

blue and wood 10/22 is 600. The barrel upgrade was a whistlepig. cost me about 400 I think, about 2/3 the price of a super low end 10/22. A KIDD barrel is about 430 to 560 (see USAguns), still not quite twice the price of a 10/22.

a supergrade KIDD is about 2,000, three times the price of a 10/22. not bad at all considering the price difference of a Annie 1712 and a JW15.

Yeah...Nah

Not a worst firearm ever owned but a near miss.
I bought an AR 22lr upper (CMMG Evo) off Trademe with 3x 15rnd mags.
I was so excited until I used it and found it couldnt go 5 rounds (sometimes less) without a fail to feed, fail to extract or jam a live round vertically into the underside of the charging handle.
After a few nights of cursing and scouring the internet - I found that the solution was to polish the feed ramp and the bolt rails and give the chamber a gentle buff.
It now runs flawlessly (much to my relief).
If the internet is to be believed even CMMG admitted that this was common and the finish was horrible as they cut QC to get more units out the door.
Happy now but without a tidy up it was an absolute dog.

When I got a quote for insurance on the supergrade it came back at over 3k (I laid well under two on trademe)and have bought several new 10/22 for $395 with plastic stocks.

Your saying your 10/22 cost $1000ish, 2.5x the basic cost of base model 10/22. Hardly apples with apples

Originally Posted by res

When I got a quote for insurance on the supergrade it came back at over 3k

I have no idea how you managed that. KIDD sells supergrade about the same price or very little more than standard. supergrade simply has a rear tang, uses larger screws, and threaded barrel rather than V-lock barrels. so in a way barrel should cost cheaper to make. My first KIDD is a supergrade, brand new and 1700 without stock. I paid less than 300 for a boyd stock, did the inletting myself.

Even if you buy today, a receiver is about 500, barrel 500, bolt is 200, trigger is 500, plus a few bits and pieces you are looking at less than 2000 if you go with a Hogue stock and a factory mag.

Originally Posted by res

(I laid well under two on trademe)and have bought several new 10/22 for $395 with plastic stocks.

they have not been that price for a few years now since reloaders sold their last few.

for the last few years, plastic stainless version has been about 600+

Ruger 10/22 Carbine Stainless Steel Synthetic Stock - ruger, carbine, steel, stock - Serious Shooters
22 Ruger 10/22 Stainless Synthetic Semi Auto Rifle

the blue and wood version is cheaper, but still 500-600

Originally Posted by res

Your saying your 10/22 cost $1000ish, 2.5x the basic cost of base model 10/22. Hardly apples with apples

I am saying a new 10/22 today is about 600, a whislepig barrel costing 400 will make it shoot very accurately (but not easily as it still has a shitty factory trigger). in fact a KIDD superlight barrel is only 430, no importation is involved.

my 10/22 was a secondhand, it cost me 300, I got a gun bag, silencer, scope, and 200 rounds with it.

Originally Posted by Ultimitsu

I have no idea how you managed that. KIDD sells supergrade about the same price or very little more than standard. supergrade simply has a rear tang, uses larger screws, and threaded barrel rather than V-lock barrels. so in a way barrel should cost cheaper to make. My first KIDD is a supergrade, brand new and 1700 without stock. I paid less than 300 for a boyd stock, did the inletting myself.

I'm not sure how the shop came up with the price, but I only paid $200 more than ded said the Macmillan stock would cost so I'm happy with the price I paid. Probably my favorite .22

Yea but an Annie doesn't need twice what you paid for it to make it shoot

Originally Posted by northdude

Yea but an Annie doesn't need twice what you paid for it to make it shoot

When you say "but", did you mean KIDD needed twice what you paid for it to shoot? My apologies if I misunderstood.

Worst I ever got was a Savage Stevens semi auto 22. One with a tube mag that was effectively a single as it would not feed no matter what I did. It went to the gunsmith and he had a go at sorting it out. It was still shit. Gunsmith said to drop it off at the local Gun city next time you come to town and I wil pick it up from them. So off I went to the local gun city with it in my gunbag. While waiting for the assistant to become available I had a little nosey at the brand new Norinco JW27 22s that were on display. After a few minutes the assistant noticed me looking at the Norincos and asked ' Whats in the bag?" I replied "A Savage Stevens semi auto" he asked to have a quick peek, which I had no problem with. (Presumed he wanted to check it was unloaded and safe etc) I had not said anything else as they were not addressing the fault, merely a drop off point for the Gunsmith. Before I could even bring up what I was there for, he said " I will do you a straight swap for one of those JW27s but I dont want the rubbish scope you have on it." (It was merely a brand he had never heard of). Without giving him time to change his mind I replied " Done, And I can fit the scope if you just take it off" and I walked out with brand new Norinco. I have had that now for over 25 years and shot many many bricks through it and it is one of the best rifles I have ever had.


I have never felt any guilt over it. If he had not assumed I was there to sell and I know he thought he was getting a good deal, then that his his fault for not at least asking why I was there......

Had a Ruger deluxe 10/22 for near 30 years, shot everything with it and it groups good enough for the job.
Only thing I had done was a trigger job.

I hope he means a std 10/22, every kidd I have seen shoots very well. My complete one outshoots my cz bolt gun

Originally Posted by res

I hope he means a std 10/22, every kidd I have seen shoots very well. My complete one outshoots my cz bolt gun

kidd is very accurate youd be pissed you got one that wasnt ive never seen one that doesnt shoot

more in general these 10/22s that are really accurate you need to put extra bits on a lot of them to get them to perform sometimes theres stuff all 10/22 left buy the time youve put parts into it i know ive got one but stuffed if im pouring more money into it just to get it to go how it should in the first place and yes i also know there is the odd good one out there i just bought an old second hand mauser for stuff all and its a shooter without having to do anything to it

Originally Posted by northdude

more in general these 10/22s that are really accurate you need to put extra bits on a lot of them to get them to perform sometimes theres stuff all 10/22 left buy the time youve put parts into it i know ive got one but stuffed if im pouring more money into it just to get it to go how it should in the first place and yes i also know there is the odd good one out there i just bought an old second hand mauser for stuff all and its a shooter without having to do anything to it

From a standard 10/22 the only thing you need change to get excellent accuracy is the barrel, 400 for a whislepig, or 430 for a kidd superlight.

If you want competition level freehand shooting, you will need to spend 500 for KIDD 2stage trigger. But you can go cheap and just stone the factory trigger yourself.

There is no need to upgrade the receiver, buffer, bolt, or individual bits of the trigger.