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1984 described humans being deliberately bred with low IQ for menial work while the Alpha's enjoyed the perks. I can't remember when that was written but it does not take much effort to see in our world today, perhaps without the selective breeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
GPM.
FYI, I have been studying AI (ie Machine Learning) for the past year or so. It has gone from something that only 'geeks like myself' were interested in and knew much about, into something that most people have now heard of (eg Chat-GPT) since references to AI exploded in the mainstream news media.
I have a few thoughts about AI, which might partially allay some fears.
I wouldn't get too freaked out about AI just yet, as AI systems do not have an inherent ability to truly think, reason or to be contextually aware of the world that we live in. They are essentially a large mathematical model that has been trained on a large amount of training (example) data, and once trained they are basically able to mathematically guess/interpolate/extrapolate how to behave or act in some unknown future situation.
A valid concern is there is definitely potential for some *repetitive aspects* of some jobs to be carried out by an AI system, which is obviously a real concern for society as a company might not need to employ quite as many people as they used to. This will probably increase as time goes on and as the systems get better. However, you still need a human involved in the process somewhere as AI systems can get things horribly wrong at times (example below). At some stage you will need to interact with other humans and you will also need to make decisions based on a wide variety of contextual information. Remember, AI systems do not fundamentally understand the world we live in, they are just really sophisticated BullS**ters.
If an AI system encounters a situation well outside what it was trained on, it will typically just 'hallucinate' an output result. There are some well publicised examples of this recently, where a lawyer submitted to a court some legal document which he used Chat-GPT to write, instead of bothering to do it himself. The document looked ok and referenced a number of legitimate looking prior legal cases. However when others went to lookup these prior legal cases, no-one could find any reference to them whatsoever. Chat-GPT basically just made them up. Having seen many references to a legal prior case in it's training data Chat-GPT knew roughly how to generate a reasonably plausible sounding prior case, but it had no true awareness of them.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65735769
I like to think of AI (Machine Learning) as both more amazing and capable than you could have thought possible a few years ago, and at the same time, way dummer than it might appear on the surface.
Like any technology, there are going to be lots of really good (useful for society) uses for it, and a lot of really bad uses of it. AI systems can be used to 'double check' cancer scans to pickup and highlight cancer growths than a doctor missed (something that probably happened to my Dad). Self driving cars could enable someone to move around who has some sort of illness or disability (eg poor eyesight) that prevents them from being able to drive. Likewise I am sure militaries the world over are in the process of creating mechanised weapons that identify targets and can automatically pull the trigger on anything that is flagged as being on the opposing side. Scary stuff.
In summary, I do think there will be some negative disruption to society from AI, but likewise there is also potential for real gains for society. In many ways AI is a bit like a firearm. Firearms are neither good nor bad. What matters is the person behind the trigger and the use to which it is put.
Interesting and as it turns out way ahead of his time. We all know him as George Orwell.Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950), better known by his pen name George Orwell, was an English novelist, essayist, journalist, and critic.[1] His work is characterised by lucid prose, social criticism, opposition to totalitarianism, and support of democratic socialism.[2]
Orwell produced literary criticism, poetry, fiction and polemical journalism. He is known for the allegorical novella Animal Farm (1945) and the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949). His non-fiction works, including The Road to Wigan Pier (1937), documenting his experience of working-class life in the industrial north of England, and Homage to Catalonia (1938), an account of his experiences soldiering for the Republican faction of the Spanish Civil War (1936–1939), are as critically respected as his essays on politics, literature, language and culture.
Born in India, Blair was raised and educated in England from when he was one year old. After school he became an Imperial policeman in Burma, before returning to Suffolk, England, where he began his writing career as George Orwell—a name inspired by a favourite location, the River Orwell. He lived from occasional pieces of journalism, and also worked as a teacher or bookseller whilst living in London. From the late 1920s to the early 1930s, his success as a writer grew and his first books were published. He was wounded fighting in the Spanish Civil War, leading to his first period of ill health on return to England. During the Second World War he worked as a journalist and, between 1941 and 1943, for the BBC. The 1945 publication of Animal Farm led to fame during his lifetime. During the final years of his life he worked on Nineteen Eighty-Four, and moved between Jura in Scotland and London. It was published in June 1949, less than a year before his death.
Orwell's work remains influential in popular culture and in political culture, and the adjective "Orwellian"—describing totalitarian and authoritarian social practices—is part of the English language, like many of his neologisms, such as "Big Brother", "Thought Police", "Room 101", "Newspeak", "memory hole", "doublethink", and "thoughtcrime".[3][4] In 2008, The Times ranked George Orwell second among "The 50 greatest British writers since 1945".[5]
Whilst it might seem like a ways off, our computing/processing power increases al.ost exponentially. It doubles every couple of years.
Now if they do start to work out algoriths for AI that can start working it out on its own or even if it is implemented after being developed by what ever supercomputer is available, then it could be problematic
But, the fact is there, the father of John Connor....you know I mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mm Rem Mag
My experience with AI is pretty limited. I have been using it to write blog posts, with mixed results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakapo
It is very good at filling in the gaps with nonsense and when called on it, will say "I'm just a AI chat bot that's something that could have happened".
It's useful for rewriting stuff or correcting for punction and grammar. It does ok writing about ideas or things that are open ended but it doesn't do well when you want it to get specific or when accuracy counts. It reminds of the old computer saying "Garbage In, Garbage Out".
A mate of mine is very geeky, and was stumped trying to write code to get two black boxes to play ball with each other. In the end he went to chatGPT and asked it to write the code, and it did it just like that, and it worked flawlessly.
The problem will be when this stuff decides to write code cause it sees a need for x,y and z black boxes to work with each other, not the person. Is this coming next month, next year, next decade??? Who knows.
It will come sooner than we think, otherwise they would n`t pause it because they must have found a big "surprise" in their laboratory. But I am sure they will proceed and the result will be either for the good of humankind unlikely, or the end of it, like all the lost civilizations before us. Because they, or say some people, what they are pursuing is another thing, not just AI and a robot could make my wife through her out of the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
lots of things, we as common people will never know about, only few in this world know the truth. I have a hypothesis that we human never actually invented anything, we only discovered it from the past, something are lost but there are hard evidences to proof it does exist and that `s the reason of why space programs, landing on the moon & mission on Mars in 1960s, deep sea exploration, drilling holes into the deep earth, and explorers flooded to Tibet region were trying to find Shambhala...etc.
All the technologies we have today are inherited from Nazi Germany, and those Nazis did found something from Tibet, the central of Earth as they call it. That `s why Soviet Unit and West allies rushed into Germany after Hitler "died". Elon Mask `s rocket is the design of Von Braun. China for example, why ccp broke up with cccp in 60s? Why ccp `s China can become the second largest economy in less than 30 years and western world allow them but not for north Korea ? And why ccp is so aggressive now? You may think it `s the nuclear power or the influence of global supply chain. Yeah maybe is the nuclear, but importantly is where they tested their nuke in Xiangjing province, the place is called Lop Nur. The whole tests down there, as the memo and some articles said, it `s just cover up for what they found in there....And that `s why Russians gave them, the ccp, the design of nuke for return of something ccp found in there. But ccp refused, then Russian withdrew nuke program from China........
It `s a long story, and maybe a good topic over camp fire.
That's a Spotify link- it's a great listen.
I wonder, does the existence of artificial intelligence mean that artificial stupidity exists. Or does that still belong entirely to humankind ??:D
Yep its humans-that podcast I linked mentions a dozen times how stupid we are and we prioritise greed over people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andygr
Yup, the older I get the more I realise that the old saying "the love of money is the root of all evil" rings true.
Bonhoffer's theory of stupidity sums it all up:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andygr
Haha, and I see that the EU has started to legislate around AI, but we are defenceless against stupidity !Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
Update from a mildly interested observer
New medical tech coming - speculative but interesting
"Remember Star Trek's medical tricorder? That's not just fantasy anymore - it's the logical conclusion of where this technology is headed."
https://x.com/daveshapi/status/18805...4bBHId-do9r5Ag
AI private tutors teaching kids
Students who were randomly assigned to participate in the program significantly outperformed their peers who were not in all areas, including English,
https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/educa...ing-in-Nigeria
For this one, include why bother learning a foreign language beyond understanding culture-specific terms like "hygge"
AI passes Turing Test - has done this for a while now, to be fair
"..all three judged the best-performing GPT-4 witness to be human more often than human witnesses"
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2407.08853
Also it looks like the illusion of free will is gone too but those of us who are married knew that a while ago
-if it can tell what you are thinking for the next 5 seconds then it can tell for the next 5 after that, rinse and repeat
"Transformer predicts brain activity patterns 5 seconds into future using just 21 seconds of fMRI data
Achieves 0.997 correlation using modified time-series Transformer architecture"
https://x.com/rohanpaul_ai/status/1880184389218496770
Some cheerful shit to ponder this Wgtn Anniversary day (which apparently extends as far north as Palmie or so? That's a bit odd)
While you folks worry about artificial intelligence, I'm still trying to manage the drama following natural stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andygr
Having to deal with City councils again Ross??:omg::omg::omg:
Perhaps the movie "Idiocracy" was more of a documentary than was intended.
For anyone interested in the subject Ex Machina is a great movie worth the watch. I loosely follow the development of AI and the new Chat GPT model looks to be getting pretty close to AGI scoring better than humans with a PHD on multiple topics when given enough computational resources.
wow since AI is being mooted as the future -when will we see it developmental illness or can it predict that too.
Not answering on the grounds it may incriminate myself, but remind me to tell you about my drive down the Desert Rd this weekend - sometime after I settle down.Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
Technically speaking we're not even at the Machine Learning stage yet. The current AI is just a marketing term for more comprehensive automation taking advantage of more compute power than we have seen in the past. And quantum computing is not going to do much for AI, it has a very narrow set of limits at what it is good at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakapo
The handy thing with ai is if anything goes wrong you just blame ai. Its not a person or living thing so cant be held accoutable or suffer any consiquences and even if it did it doesnt care. How good is that....
you've just described an apprenticeQuote:
Originally Posted by blip
I have seen a lot of artificial intelligence over the years
When a blonde dyes her hair brown?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
Yes, I know....
I've seen Terminator 2 and AI is bad mmmkay
Everything is AI these days, including simple algorithms. I would limit the term AI to computers that can learn or as previously mentioned, thinking machines.
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I agree, I think a better term for it is 'Simulated Intelligence'. Ultimately what is currently purported as AI only has as much emotion or ability to reflect as what a casio calculator has.
But it is very very good at averaging out a huge amount of data in order to make words that make sense.
I actually think the watershed moment that is generally being missed is that AI allows computers to cope with poor syntax or opaque questions. It has allowed computers to mostly do what we always imagined they would. You no longer have to type in the right characters in the right order to get something intelligible back. But you may get something completely fabricated
I once read an article that described "AI" as "Augmented Intelligence" i.e. Smart phones augment our intelligence by accessing and storing info, thus freeing us up to use our brains for more important thinking. When's the last time you used a pen & paper to work out some calcs vs an online calculator/app.
The only phone numbers I know anymore are mine & my wifes.
Can you buy this stuff for a top up as you get older? My natural intelligence seems to be running out.
This is a symptom of “lifetime information overload”. The solution lays in selectively forgetting irrelevant information. My suggestion is that you begin by forgetting all former encounters with stupid people, all bureaucrats and all former girlfriends and their families. Doing this alone could free up as much as five percent of your memory banks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I suggest you look up norms law from the tv show cheers as its the cure to your issues , uses wiakato as well . I use double brown been a x gunnerQuote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Augmented Intelligence or Atrophied Intelligence? Looking around society it can be hard to decide, looking in the mirror is no more illuminating!Quote:
Originally Posted by No good names left
The main reason for A I is that there is very little common sense used nowadays
so man has invented some tool to think for him How sad
What about the Chinese open source Deep Seek which was made in 2/3 months at cost of $6m. News shed 1 trillion off US stock market. LOL.
Look how much the release of Deepseek R1 has upset the applecart. Losses are in USD and over the past 24 hours:omg::omg::omg::omg::omg:
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