Thread: Climate

Originally Posted by Tahr

The outcome that I was referencing was mitigating consequences of climate change, not the climate itself. Shifting properties and towns, bolstering protection, safeguarding vital infrastructure etc. Learning from others (the terrible fires on the continent and Canada) - learn and mitigate now.

Greetings,
All options will be costly including doing nothing. For some areas doing nothing will result in inundation and total loss.
GPM.

Originally Posted by blip

Interesting, one question who decides whats a conspiricy theory and what isnt. Ufos were a conspiricy theory but it we believe the current news....

If you don’t go along with the current narrative or have a different view you get shut down for being a conspiracy theorist. It’s their only defence because they can’t prove that their theory is right.

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

If you don’t go along with the current narrative or have a different view you get shut down for being a conspiracy theorist. It’s their only defence because they can’t prove that their theory is right.

History has shown that the over use of this term (above) is a reliable indicator.

Originally Posted by Tahr

History has shown that the over use of this term (above) is a reliable indicator.

Well that’s your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.

Tahr..

I am not satisfied that the numbers of fires, the numbers of tornados, the numbers of natural disasters, the numbers of deaths from any or all has at all increased.

I suggest you read Steven Pinker's book called "Enlightenment Now" as a study into the role that sensationalist media has had in promoting the perception of doom and gloom across the board in all areas of our lives. The distortion between reality and what is perception across all manner of KPI is unlikely to not have had a similar effect in the area of the climate debate.

There are always issues. But as Pinker illuminates over the last 70 years most of the human experience has improved markedly to a factor of about 10 fold on what the reality was 70 years ago and yet the perception today is almost the complete inverse.

There are no more tornados, hurricanes, fires and flooding than were have ever been. There are less deaths from natural disasters currently than in the past 5-7 decades. The sea is not lapping at our doorsteps unless it always did. Fires might be more intense due to more availability of fuel on our greener planet - (a combination of a retarded bureaucracy not allowing fuel removal from populated areas and increased plant material from a reduction in wood burning, and increased CO2), but the actual number of fires is no more significant.

Watch that all change when they stop coal. Currently we have more trees on the planet than at any time in the last 200 years. Great fuel when you can't dig coal.

How many carbon credits does tonga have to buy to compensate the world for its volcano eruption

I remember Tahr making a comment about the Labour Party saying they will be in for 3 terms so we may as well get used to it!. People have opinions, doesn’t mean they are right, no matter how many fancy words they use.

Originally Posted by Lurch

Well,I thought I'd read about the quake in the royal commission but will have to look harder.
Info on weather manipulation however is volumous.
Should be fairly easy to find the film"The Dimming"
Or if one can search past the first page or 2 on google ,there are better search engines than google if you are looking for truth tho or outside of whats on tv.
the chemtrails,Haarpe,etc and the effects are easily researched.
The fact that none of you "outdoorsmen",farmers etc notice the chemtrails and their effects and the weird cloud formations,utterly astounds me.
I even see them in pix posted here.
Almost as astounding to me is those among you who want to sideline this info without even having a look for themselves.
I say again do none of you look up?
Why do "contrails" hang in the sky and spread wider and wider?
I thought they are just water vapour?
What?it's not on tv so it's not true?
I guess you all know cloud seeding was used in the vietnam war to try and interfere with vietcong logistics,
or that china used cloud seeding to wash it's cities before the olympic?games.
Ask anyone who's lived in china about cloud seeding/weather manipulation
tahrs quip about them needing to hurry up sums up the level of thought given by most.
We've all seen how readily just about entire populations do what they are told with no critical thought given,
What do you think the purpose of weather manipulation is?
Is it done to improve our lives or is it being done to forward an agenda?
Why the hesitance to consider weather manipulation?
Some of you are quite happy to accept "greta science" but ignore what happens in front of your faces.
When you don't have all the information you can't make an informed decision.
Your uninformed decisions affect all the rest of us.

Control the weather, you control the food. Control the food, you control the people.
I remember as a kid in the late sixties being told that the beeps we heard on the radio, similar to morse code, was the Russians trying to manipulate the weather.
@Tahr I find it disheartening that most of the people your age group I know all say the same. They are all pleased they are at the latter end of life.
I'm hoping I have quite a few years left. And I sure hope they improve compared to the last few.

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

I remember Tahr making a comment about the Labour Party saying they will be in for 3 terms so we may as well get used to it!. People have opinions, doesn’t mean they are right, no matter how many fancy words they use.

You might recall too that I qualified it by saying so long as Jacinda maintained her shine. That never happened. Words do matter.

Originally Posted by Tahr

You might recall too that I qualified it by saying so long as Jacinda maintained her shine. That never happened. Words matter.

Not sure about that part mate..

Originally Posted by Sidney

Tahr..

I am not satisfied that the numbers of fires, the numbers of tornados, the numbers of natural disasters, the numbers of deaths from any or all has at all increased.

I suggest you read Steven Pinker's book called "Enlightenment Now" as a study into the role that sensationalist media has had in promoting the perception of doom and gloom across the board in all areas of our lives. The distortion between reality and what is perception across all manner of KPI is unlikely to not have had a similar effect in the area of the climate debate.

There are always issues. But as Pinker illuminates over the last 70 years most of the human experience has improved markedly to a factor of about 10 fold on what the reality was 70 years ago and yet the perception today is almost the complete inverse.

There are no more tornados, hurricanes, fires and flooding than were have ever been. There are less deaths from natural disasters currently than in the past 5-7 decades. The sea is not lapping at our doorsteps unless it always did. Fires might be more intense due to more availability of fuel on our greener planet - (a combination of a retarded bureaucracy not allowing fuel removal from populated areas and increased plant material from a reduction in wood burning, and increased CO2), but the actual number of fires is no more significant.

Watch that all change when they stop coal. Currently we have more trees on the planet than at any time in the last 200 years. Great fuel when you can't dig coal.

Cripes, it will take the rest of my life to fact check all of that I will look at Pinkers' book. It might be the therapy I need.

Originally Posted by Lurch

Well,I thought I'd read about the quake in the royal commission but will have to look harder.
Info on weather manipulation however is volumous.
Should be fairly easy to find the film"The Dimming"
Or if one can search past the first page or 2 on google ,there are better search engines than google if you are looking for truth tho or outside of whats on tv.
the chemtrails,Haarpe,etc and the effects are easily researched.
The fact that none of you "outdoorsmen",farmers etc notice the chemtrails and their effects and the weird cloud formations,utterly astounds me.
I even see them in pix posted here.
Almost as astounding to me is those among you who want to sideline this info without even having a look for themselves.
I say again do none of you look up?
Why do "contrails" hang in the sky and spread wider and wider?
I thought they are just water vapour?
What?it's not on tv so it's not true?
I guess you all know cloud seeding was used in the vietnam war to try and interfere with vietcong logistics,
or that china used cloud seeding to wash it's cities before the olympic?games.
Ask anyone who's lived in china about cloud seeding/weather manipulation
tahrs quip about them needing to hurry up sums up the level of thought given by most.
We've all seen how readily just about entire populations do what they are told with no critical thought given,
What do you think the purpose of weather manipulation is?
Is it done to improve our lives or is it being done to forward an agenda?
Why the hesitance to consider weather manipulation?
Some of you are quite happy to accept "greta science" but ignore what happens in front of your faces.
When you don't have all the information you can't make an informed decision.
Your uninformed decisions affect all the rest of us.

Some of us do look up, quite often in fact. Thing is, it's different to the 'official" line.

I'm OK with what other people believe in. Some people struggle with what others believe in and think it's their way or not at all. Not so OK with that. Dare I say it, one or the other party will be correct. I just don't think we will be around to see it....

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Originally Posted by Sidney

Tahr..

I am not satisfied that the numbers of fires, the numbers of tornados, the numbers of natural disasters, the numbers of deaths from any or all has at all increased.

I suggest you read Steven Pinker's book called "Enlightenment Now" as a study into the role that sensationalist media has had in promoting the perception of doom and gloom across the board in all areas of our lives. The distortion between reality and what is perception across all manner of KPI is unlikely to not have had a similar effect in the area of the climate debate.

There are always issues. But as Pinker illuminates over the last 70 years most of the human experience has improved markedly to a factor of about 10 fold on what the reality was 70 years ago and yet the perception today is almost the complete inverse.

There are no more tornados, hurricanes, fires and flooding than were have ever been. There are less deaths from natural disasters currently than in the past 5-7 decades. The sea is not lapping at our doorsteps unless it always did. Fires might be more intense due to more availability of fuel on our greener planet - (a combination of a retarded bureaucracy not allowing fuel removal from populated areas and increased plant material from a reduction in wood burning, and increased CO2), but the actual number of fires is no more significant.

Watch that all change when they stop coal. Currently we have more trees on the planet than at any time in the last 200 years. Great fuel when you can't dig coal.

One tiny example: Somewhere in youtube land a couple of months ago I watched an article where the BBC weather presenter was talking up the apocalypse, pointing to all the 'extreme' temperatures all over Europe, and the colours of red and purple had been daubed all over the areas of 'extreme' temperature.

Some enterprising soul dragged up the BBC's weather presentation back in the early 00's of the same calendar period of hot European summer, with all the colours benign, and many of the temperatures showing 1 to 2 degrees HOTTER than the temps being quoted as extreme for this season.

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

It’s definitely here and buying an EV won’t change it.

dam right there , it will make it a dam sight worse

Originally Posted by XR500

One tiny example: Somewhere in youtube land a couple of months ago I watched an article where the BBC weather presenter was talking up the apocalypse, pointing to all the 'extreme' temperatures all over Europe, and the colours of red and purple had been daubed all over the areas of 'extreme' temperature.

Some enterprising soul dragged up the BBC's weather presentation back in the early 00's of the same cause lendar period of hot European summer, with all the colours benign, and many of the temperatures showing 1 to 2 degrees HOTTER than the temps being quoted as extreme for this season.

Did you hear all the lies about the climate on TV1 news tonight!! They were contradicting the NZHS experts left right and centre. Ive put in a complaint to the Tribunal and want you XR500 and Sidney to appear as expert witnesses for me. Bring your YouTube links and books with you