Climate

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

and NO I am not suggesting Adolf H had the right idea about genetics either..... but in SOME cases...sterilisation wouldnt be half stupid for the good of the entire society if not the planet.
Im told Im hard hearted and outright wrong but to me,spending hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to keep and infant alive who wont ever make a single dollar to pay tax on just doenst work out long term.

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We certainly could use a few bullets to sort our country and not ankle bracelets :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

problem is al gore is a moron who spouts gibberish while owning 3 houses, a private plane and 2 helicopters

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He’s certainly banked a few bucks on creating fear. Do as I say, not as I do, I’m not winding back my life style, but I suggest you do, in fact I insist

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Originally Posted by Maca49

We certainly could use a few bullets to sort our country and not ankle bracelets :thumbsup:

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spending hundreds of grand to incarcerate that piece of pondscum ,who was once a member of this forum ,alive is the ultimate waste of taxpayer funding.....he wont survive ten days if he ever gets out.... the final bill for his upkeep is astronomical and totally completely unnecessary .PC WOKE madness.... shoot incinerate and flush down nearest sewer.... hell if said nothing the world would not even know!!!

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Originally Posted by Rushy

Maca mankind will come to an end long before this world ever does so we (mankind) will never see it happen. At a more personal level, two old fucks like you and I most certainly will not see it happen.

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You can include this old fuck here cause i believe ma nature has this shit under control and theres sweet fuck all ....just for you deaf and hard of sight pricks sweet fuck all we can do about it.

.The UN is a bloody joke -FFS theyve got to take out IMF loans to put peacekeepers in the worlds trouble spots and of course controlled by the big five .ruskies ,poms yanks chinese and frogs whose mantra is we owe you billions -however if you dont see/do it our way fuck you we'll default and youre bankrupt-watchh the security council in action all talk about restrictions on russia ,nth korea etc etc and who vetoes these time and time again russia china and their coven arse lickers .same with global warming these bastards pay lips ervice and carry on polluting whilst we get it in the neck daily.
the UN has already admitted the basic formulae for its endless echolalic mantra of global warming is based on faulty math where the dumb pricks doubled an essential factor in their dispshit projections -yes the ones preached so ardently by the imbecilic Shaw and his vegetables,plus that upstart scandinavian bint with the moosh like a slapped spaniels arse but to name a few
. .BTW no member is beholden to UN direction or policy contrary to what the welington woolmops tell us!.
So when i depart this coil Ill probably go up the chimney in a bloody great cloud of smelly smoke hopefully emerging in a cloud shaped like a rigid middle digit ,and Im hoping some of the boys can load a bit of me in a 12g cartridge and let her rip through one of my `12guages over my favourite hunting water.the remainder goes home to my beloved coast hopefully to be emptied into a creek which bears the family name in the locality we put our roots in down 160years ago.
lastly all these bloody so called experts academics fuckwit rulers and activists would be better off if they could given tonights winning lotto numbers -thats of more use to me.

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Originally Posted by Maca49

Those bloody hot fires you have on special occasions only add towards global warming. Mine you it was so bloody cold they were needed

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Unlike others, I can validly claim that I am merely recycling the CO2:cool:

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Originally Posted by kotuku

You can include this old fuck here cause i believe ma nature has this shit under control and theres sweet fuck all ....just for you deaf and hard of sight pricks sweet fuck all we can do about it.

.The UN is a bloody joke -FFS theyve got to take out IMF loans to put peacekeepers in the worlds trouble spots and of course controlled by the big five .ruskies ,poms yanks chinese and frogs whose mantra is we owe you billions -however if you dont see/do it our way fuck you we'll default and youre bankrupt-watchh the security council in action all talk about restrictions on russia ,nth korea etc etc and who vetoes these time and time again russia china and their coven arse lickers .same with global warming these bastards pay lips ervice and carry on polluting whilst we get it in the neck daily.
the UN has already admitted the basic formulae for its endless echolalic mantra of global warming is based on faulty math where the dumb pricks doubled an essential factor in their dispshit projections -yes the ones preached so ardently by the imbecilic Shaw and his vegetables,plus that upstart scandinavian bint with the moosh like a slapped spaniels arse but to name a few
. .BTW no member is beholden to UN direction or policy contrary to what the welington woolmops tell us!.
So when i depart this coil Ill probably go up the chimney in a bloody great cloud of smelly smoke hopefully emerging in a cloud shaped like a rigid middle digit ,and Im hoping some of the boys can load a bit of me in a 12g cartridge and let her rip through one of my `12guages over my favourite hunting water.the remainder goes home to my beloved coast hopefully to be emptied into a creek which bears the family name in the locality we put our roots in down 160years ago.
lastly all these bloody so called experts academics fuckwit rulers and activists would be better off if they could given tonights winning lotto numbers -thats of more use to me.

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put me down for a few rounds of them..I will happily blow them out the old smoke pipe LOL

Compared to the universe,earth is only the size of a grain of sand.Big rocks might miss us hopefully.

Greetings all,
Well less than 36 hours after my first post there are120 plus. There are nay sayers (plus some I am not quite sure what they are saying) but useful posts as well. As individuals or even a small nation we are not going to solve the climate change problem while most governments are dragging the chain but this does not alter the fact that it is happening. What we can do is adapt. What I mean by this is to take the steps that we can to minimise the effects on us and our families like not building or buying a home in the flood plain. It is our risk and our adaption. Best of luck with it.
Regards Grandpamac.

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Originally Posted by XR500

Unlike others, I can validly claim that I am merely recycling the CO2:cool:

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You are also releasing stored solar energy, I am not sure if that is good or bad ?

building on stilts.......lifting existing houses...... allowing people to remove shingle from rivers again,like we did for generations...... allow firewood to be cut from rivers,allow access to cut slash as firewood...... fix our roads or bridges,build more bridges or at least big solid fords that will allow a flood to sweep past (they made a tube like giant firehose,laid across river,the rougher the bottom the better and filled with concrete) scrap this stupid carbon credit idea...scrap pushing electric cars..stop punishing farmers...stop wasting good food producing land ...build public housing in small safe towns..and do so effeciently. promote the building of smaller cheaper safer more insulated homes in small towns,get rid of the red tape and clip the wings of council ticket clippers.... if a person or family want to live in a 20-40foot container,let them as long as they have safe toilet and cooking and cleaning methods..leave them alone.

Without doubt releasing billions of tonnes of stored fossil carbon into the atmosphere must change the ratio of gases present over time.
The biggest problem is acidification of the oceans - CO2 desolves in water forming carbonic acid. Up until now the sea has been a sink for fossil carbon emissions but it is possibly near the point of saturation.
We have had higher levels of atmospheric CO2 before but these were reached gradually, this time perhaps the increase is happening at a rate faster than adaptation can keep pace with ?
As we go up in altitude or south in latitude it is cooler so perhaps living at 500 mtrs asl or shifting to bluff is the answer ?

kiwifruit in canterbury

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Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

You are also releasing stored solar energy, I am not sure if that is good or bad ?

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Yes, but I planted 100 acres of Pines, starting back in 2018. They are flat out gobbling the stuff up, faster than I can burn my firewood.

In fact, we may have to have another forum burn off/piss up here on the farm, just to even the score and piss the greenies off:omg:

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Originally Posted by XR500

Yes, but I planted 100 acres of Pines, starting back in 2018. They are flat out gobbling the stuff up, faster than I can burn my firewood.

In fact, we may have to have another forum burn off/piss up here on the farm, just to even the score and piss the greenies off:omg:

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I’m in! Post the date and time when you have had a good mull over the details.

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Originally Posted by Tahr

The Australian-born former talkback radio host?? Really?

Im very happy to explore other perspectives but they need to be from credible sources.

The only thing that hasn't been quoted here thus far from the old covid conspiracy threads is "follow the money". Spare me. :)

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Its not so much about Leighton Smith, even though he is a very intelligent individual, it’s the people he interviews. Professional folk from all over the world. Good to see you googled him, have a listen to a few of his podcasts. Even you might be pleasantly surprised.

They are free on the iheart radio app. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Maca49

I think as long as my bum points at the ground, I will not be able to do anything about the climate while China, the USA, India, Europe and the others continue to pump out all their shit and consumers gobble up their goods.
I’m just a logical person, who cannot be stuffed believing or caring, because I cannot save the world.
I am be penalised by all the taxes and penalties aimed at me by people who are weak or corrupt or have no logic or suffer illogical fears.
Stop supporting the big polluters, make them stop if you want to have a clean green world!
They won’t, they are driven by dollars, not a green world.
But in the end, climate change will not end this world, mankind’s hate for each other will.

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Its pretty easy to be doom and gloom about the rest of the world and I cant do anything about it.. Yes you can, you can choose what you buy.. you want to buy a piece of fruit... bananas from Equador or kiwifruit from NZ, which has the most food miles ?? .. capsicums from Holland, just go without them, bugger all people died from not eating imported capsicum.. Its only a tiny tiny thing BUT you have some power.

Capsicums. Grown by the tonne on super cheap geothermal heat and electricity not 10km from me. But charge $6 each in winter and $2 in summer, despite the inputs being the same no matter what the month. Where's that supermarket watchdog dude when you need him!!!

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

spending hundreds of grand to incarcerate that piece of pondscum ,who was once a member of this forum ,alive is the ultimate waste of taxpayer funding.....he wont survive ten days if he ever gets out.... the final bill for his upkeep is astronomical and totally completely unnecessary .PC WOKE madness.... shoot incinerate and flush down nearest sewer.... hell if said nothing the world would not even know!!!

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Your so uncaring, but I like it

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Originally Posted by sore head stoat

Its pretty easy to be doom and gloom about the rest of the world and I cant do anything about it.. Yes you can, you can choose what you buy.. you want to buy a piece of fruit... bananas from Equador or kiwifruit from NZ, which has the most food miles ?? .. capsicums from Holland, just go without them, bugger all people died from not eating imported capsicum.. Its only a tiny tiny thing BUT you have some power.

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And what’s the point? I’m not going to change diddly squat, really I’m not, it only make one feel good

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Originally Posted by Maca49

And what’s the point? I’m not going to change diddly squat, really I’m not, it only make one feel good

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Yip I completely understand your point. However I can look my grandkids in the eye and say I tried..

https://theplatform.kiwi/assets/arti...an-wishart.pdf

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Originally Posted by sore head stoat

Yip I completely understand your point. However I can look my grandkids in the eye and say I tried..

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Tried, but didn’t make the slightest bit of difference. It might make you feel a bit better but this is the reality.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

kiwifruit in canterbury

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I am already growing kiwifruit here. Come for a visit and I will give you some

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Originally Posted by XR500

Yes, but I planted 100 acres of Pines, starting back in 2018. They are flat out gobbling the stuff up, faster than I can burn my firewood.

In fact, we may have to have another forum burn off/piss up here on the farm, just to even the score and piss the greenies off:omg:

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What about all that Methane your grubby pines are releasing into the atmosphere ? 5 kg per hectare per year would be a low estimate. The sooner things are leveled up and tree growers pay for their emissions the better:P

For those on the fence, jump in a plane on a nice day and fly the length of NZ. Look out the window, and EVERYTHING you see out there moving, is moving cause of diesel or kero. Lets forget about petrol cause its tiny in the scheme of a nations carbon footprint.

Fishing boats, Cook strait ferries, container ships, jet air liners, dozers, diggers,tractors,freight trucks, stock trucks, trains (except some of the elec commuter ones in Wellington). Everything relies on Diesel. And not even one percent of that stuff can be done by an electric vehicle. Efficiently. Effectively. Fontera has gone woke with their silly EV milk tanker (x2). Its in the workshop more than its out collecting milk. Its not permitted to go into the hills surrounding its depot. Its about twice as expensive to operate than the trucks that DO spend 10 hours a day, day in day out in and out of the hills collecting milk. They have also gone woke on their coal boiler. Ripped it out and put in a wood pellet boiler. All that's done is shunt their CO2 footprint out of their company and shoved it onto the freight companies that have to deliver 6 truck and trailer loads a day of wood pellets, instead of the one coal train per fortnight.

The western world doesn't want to go back to living in the middle ages, halving our life expectancy, half the population working by hand 12 hours a day just to grow/harvest food.

The third world wants our standard of living, and who can blame them.

Only 60-70% of oil gets burnt to power stuff. The rest gets converted into the 6000 items that have become indispensable to all our daily lives.

I don't see a rational conversation about resilience or preparedness. All I see is myopic children in a bouncy castle screeching "listen to me or we're doomed. Do as I say" (not do as I do)

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Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

What about all that Methane your grubby pines are releasing into the atmosphere ? 5 kg per hectare per year would be a low estimate. The sooner things are leveled up and tree growers pay for their emissions the better:P

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That's what the forum burn off/piss up is all about. Arc up the big bonfires and convert all that nasty methane floating through the pine valleys into a nice warm atmosphere:thumbs:

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Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

I am already growing kiwifruit here. Come for a visit and I will give you some

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Well that’s opportunity:thumbs:

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Originally Posted by XR500

For those on the fence, jump in a plane on a nice day and fly the length of NZ. Look out the window, and EVERYTHING you see out there moving, is moving cause of diesel or kero. Lets forget about petrol cause its tiny in the scheme of a nations carbon footprint.

Fishing boats, Cook strait ferries, container ships, jet air liners, dozers, diggers,tractors,freight trucks, stock trucks, trains (except some of the elec commuter ones in Wellington). Everything relies on Diesel. And not even one percent of that stuff can be done by an electric vehicle. Efficiently. Effectively. Fontera has gone woke with their silly EV milk tanker (x2). Its in the workshop more than its out collecting milk. Its not permitted to go into the hills surrounding its depot. Its about twice as expensive to operate than the trucks that DO spend 10 hours a day, day in day out in and out of the hills collecting milk. They have also gone woke on their coal boiler. Ripped it out and put in a wood pellet boiler. All that's done is shunt their CO2 footprint out of their company and shoved it onto the freight companies that have to deliver 6 truck and trailer loads a day of wood pellets, instead of the one coal train per fortnight.

The western world doesn't want to go back to living in the middle ages, halving our life expectancy, half the population working by hand 12 hours a day just to grow/harvest food.

The third world wants our standard of living, and who can blame them.

Only 60-70% of oil gets burnt to power stuff. The rest gets converted into the 6000 items that have become indispensable to all our daily lives.

I don't see a rational conversation about resilience or preparedness. All I see is myopic children in a bouncy castle screeching "listen to me or we're doomed. Do as I say" (not do as I do)

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And those third world populations, looking to better there lives will add more to climate change than us that already have a good life and there’s a shitload of people wanted to have a better life.

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Originally Posted by sore head stoat

Its pretty easy to be doom and gloom about the rest of the world and I cant do anything about it.. Yes you can, you can choose what you buy.. you want to buy a piece of fruit... bananas from Equador or kiwifruit from NZ, which has the most food miles ?? .. capsicums from Holland, just go without them, bugger all people died from not eating imported capsicum.. Its only a tiny tiny thing BUT you have some power.

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I’m not doom and gloom, just realistic

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Originally Posted by XR500

Unlike others, I can validly claim that I am merely recycling the CO2:cool:

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If we went fishing I could trade my two stroke pollution with your trees? That’s if it ever stops blowing on the lake

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Originally Posted by Maca49

If we went fishing I could trade my two stroke pollution with your trees? That’s if it ever stops blowing on the lake

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I MAY have some tree carbon to spare;) Mind you, I buy 2 stroke oil by the 20 litre container, so I am trying my hardest to get the equation back to zero:wtfsmilie:

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Originally Posted by akaroa1

Global Climate Change is not the weather where you are at a particular point in time.

It is global trend and it is not a consistent value across the globe.
But when all the data is accumulated it shows a trend and it is irrefutable, unless you live under a rock or bridge, in which case you won't believe in the science anyway

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Or change the methodology for measuring the temperature.

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Originally Posted by XR500

For those on the fence, jump in a plane on a nice day and fly the length of NZ. Look out the window, and EVERYTHING you see out there moving, is moving cause of diesel or kero. Lets forget about petrol cause its tiny in the scheme of a nations carbon footprint.

Fishing boats, Cook strait ferries, container ships, jet air liners, dozers, diggers,tractors,freight trucks, stock trucks, trains (except some of the elec commuter ones in Wellington). Everything relies on Diesel. And not even one percent of that stuff can be done by an electric vehicle. Efficiently. Effectively. Fontera has gone woke with their silly EV milk tanker (x2). Its in the workshop more than its out collecting milk. Its not permitted to go into the hills surrounding its depot. Its about twice as expensive to operate than the trucks that DO spend 10 hours a day, day in day out in and out of the hills collecting milk. They have also gone woke on their coal boiler. Ripped it out and put in a wood pellet boiler. All that's done is shunt their CO2 footprint out of their company and shoved it onto the freight companies that have to deliver 6 truck and trailer loads a day of wood pellets, instead of the one coal train per fortnight.

The western world doesn't want to go back to living in the middle ages, halving our life expectancy, half the population working by hand 12 hours a day just to grow/harvest food.

The third world wants our standard of living, and who can blame them.

Only 60-70% of oil gets burnt to power stuff. The rest gets converted into the 6000 items that have become indispensable to all our daily lives.

I don't see a rational conversation about resilience or preparedness. All I see is myopic children in a bouncy castle screeching "listen to me or we're doomed. Do as I say" (not do as I do)

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hear hear .and with all due respect grandpa mac youve got your opinion Ive got mine and occasionally if i choose to express it a little differently does it really cause you that much anguish????

I recon us humans should reverse the way the world spins that should fix it..

We've tilted it a bit aparantly with artesian water usage.

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Originally Posted by XR500

For those on the fence, jump in a plane on a nice day and fly the length of NZ.

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Thanks mate! Every day in an attempt to maintain my mental acuity and stave off the onset of dementia in this old man’s head, I solve several Sudoku puzzles. This morning though I am trying to work out how to get on a plane while sitting on a fence. I have no answers yet but will keep trying. Ha ha ha ha.

I try to be "aware" of how much and where I spend the Earth's resources that come my way, whilst still living a first world lifestyle - in NZ we are truly blessed.

I've made some modest changes to the way I think and live out of respect for the future of our grandkids, and encourage and assist others to do the same - for example if you're traveling somewhere to a shoot maybe, share the travel!

Those who evangelize these sorts of arguments (on both sides of the equation) get no respect from me.

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Originally Posted by blip

I recon us humans should reverse the way the world spins that should fix it..

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Shouldn't be that hard. We added a extra hour of daylight to each day with daylight saving.
(I actually know a guy who thinks that happened)

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

depends on if "yours " includes a tinfoil hat does it not????

because if you look at it from far enough away.....believing someone has a conspiracy is conspiracy in and of itself.

thus its just easier to say someone is talking a load of utter bullshit and be done with it.

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Bit what if the person who believes in a different line of bullshit to yours is not wrong, does it make your line of bullshit right...? It's all perspectives and belief structures that get challenged makes it hard for people to accept a paragdeim shift

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