Thread: Hunting in France. Differences to NZ. Just for reference

Originally Posted by outlander

You've lost me with this gem of information. How do I tie it all into my little bag of happiness for a white lower class person of Anglo Saxon decent? Don't hold back, explain it all, warts and all. Thanks.

As I see it, historically in this country the people of Anglo Saxon decent ( of which I am one ) have had greater opportunities to hunt on private land and have on average been treated better under the law than other members of society. That has been their reality. Now that this is changing - as far as access for hunting with more and more exclusion from private land we might feel that 'rights' are being lost across the board, because properties are being bought by non Kiwis and previous access closed off. My point was that this situation has been the reality for NZ Maori since the arrival of the Anglo Saxon settlers and now it is the turn of the Anglo Saxon Kiwi to also loose what they considered 'rights'. In France I am quite sure that prior to the Revolution there were no rights to roam for the common person and now there are so things change. By my comment that 'Really this is how the world has always been' I mean that people are naturally selfish and don't want to share what they have on their properties, they want to excludes others especially those who are not of their race, class, religion etc. The rich will and have, always experienced greater freedoms and protection of their property rights than the poor. As the population increases this situation will only get worse.
There is an answer to these problems of access / exclusion and that is for hunters to unite into a single group and form a powerful lobby group. We have seen an example of what that can achieve recently with the Government reaction to the Tahr cull protests. Here in the South Island there are dozens of examples of public land which has access to it controlled by a private owner. Much of the High Country has been Crown land leased to Stations with perpetual leases. Many of these properties have sold part of their lease back to the Crown for cash and also received freehold rights to the remainder of the property. Because no public access easements have been established I cannot access that public land of which I am a part owner without permission from the land owner. I hope this answers your question @outlander without sidetracking / buggering this thread further.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

As I see it, historically in this country the people of Anglo Saxon decent ( of which I am one ) have had greater opportunities to hunt on private land and have on average been treated better under the law than other members of society. That has been their reality. Now that this is changing - as far as access for hunting with more and more exclusion from private land we might feel that 'rights' are being lost across the board, because properties are being bought by non Kiwis and previous access closed off. My point was that this situation has been the reality for NZ Maori since the arrival of the Anglo Saxon settlers and now it is the turn of the Anglo Saxon Kiwi to also loose what they considered 'rights'. In France I am quite sure that prior to the Revolution there were no rights to roam for the common person and now there are so things change. By my comment that 'Really this is how the world has always been' I mean that people are naturally selfish and don't want to share what they have on their properties, they want to excludes others especially those who are not of their race, class, religion etc. The rich will and have, always experienced greater freedoms and protection of their property rights than the poor. As the population increases this situation will only get worse.
There is an answer to these problems of access / exclusion and that is for hunters to unite into a single group and form a powerful lobby group. We have seen an example of what that can achieve recently with the Government reaction to the Tahr cull protests. Here in the South Island there are dozens of examples of public land which has access to it controlled by a private owner. Much of the High Country has been Crown land leased to Stations with perpetual leases. Many of these properties have sold part of their lease back to the Crown for cash and also received freehold rights to the remainder of the property. Because no public access easements have been established I cannot access that public land of which I am a part owner without permission from the land owner. I hope this answers your question @outlander without sidetracking / buggering this thread further.

I agree with you. Thanks for taking the time to explain your stance. All the best in the new year.

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

How come a Brittany isn't of interest?

professional spooker

I prefer short haired dogs as they bring less of the outside inside, also short hair dogs are easier to remove "that stuff they rolled in" off

Originally Posted by mikee

I prefer short haired dogs as they bring less of the outside inside, also short hair dogs are easier to remove "that stuff they rolled in" off

I thought came in short hair. He more you know

professional spooker

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

@dudz, By resorting to the 'primary school yard' type reference of another Forum Member as genitalia, you have destroyed any credibility that you had. There is no need for you to get fired up and loose your temper here just because someone disagrees with your egotistical and condescending self. PS your grammar and sentence structure needs work

I feel NZ dose have a certain right to roam policy.
Go into any national park and you can go of track and walk freely where ever you want, so long as you stay in the park boundaries that’s one of the joys of hunting in NZ.
England dose not have a right to roam policy! But they do have a lot of footpaths, bridle ways and green lanes. Which means that you can walk across most of England. These tracks cross private land. The land owner cannot block our move these right of ways. Even if the owner has crops on them. They must still leave a clear line of access. If they have cattle in the paddock then they must leave a cow with any bull.
As a walker you only have the right to walk on the footpaths and you must keep your dog under close supervision.
As a hunter you can shoot over these footpaths. So long as you don’t hinder our frighten users. This dose not mean that a user can block stop the hunters shooting party. This would then fall into trespass and social disorder. (The local shoot which I’m involved in has two footpath and a bridle way running through it so we are very clued up on the law and what we can and can’t do)! We also have a track that runs through the shoot that is used by the public this is closed for one day a year so that it dose not become a footpath.
Scotland on the other hand dose have a right to roam policy.
Not sure about Wales.

Originally Posted by oraki

I have had an offer to make ‘the problem go away.’ Then you owe someone else can’t be bothered.
Burn the car... is on camera when it was driving past, the number plates were different each time.
Make official complaint. I said I want it of the record what had happened. He said if he wrote anything down, it had to be investigated. Back to square one. I work odd hrs and at night the nearest cop is 1/2 hr away.
They were locked up a while back but are floating around again... pun intended
Used be holiday homes and kids were allowed up to the first bridge in the creek. Now it’s full of dopers growers and nohopers who we are feeding their habits through taxes.

Anyway, once harvest is off, it’s someone else’s problem. Going through the contracts now. He’s looking at taking out the trees and putting in a pivot, so their spot will be exposed.

The cop did suggest we be irresponsible one year when burning off. He said ‘don’t put a firebreak in and what for the right wind. Hopefully wipe them all out, do everyone a favour. ‘

In a serious answer to your problem @oraki , if you have asked the Police for assistance etc and they have not acted on the matter, then the best step is to go to your local MP and raise it with them. Now this is the important part : The Police MUST act when they receive a request from an MP - no excuses, drop everything else and Act !!

Originally Posted by Pengy

2 hour lunch with wine, beer and cider....then resume the hunt

They are very good with self control you very rarely see drunks in France a glass of wine beer or cider is quite normal with lunch, In NZ Oz or the US it would be a six pack
we have a lot to learn about civilised behaviour

Originally Posted by shooternz

They are very good with self control you very rarely see drunks in France a glass of wine beer or cider is quite normal with lunch, In NZ Oz or the US it would be a six pack
we have a lot to learn about civilised behaviour

Yep, when I was in Japan they had beer vending machines all over the place and no problems, could not even imagine the carnage that would cause here. Went on a brewery tour of Asahi brewery and at the end "all you can drink for 30 minutes" all very civilised. In NZ or Aust that would seen as a personal challenge to drink as much as possible before the 30 mins ends!!!

The rioters are the grubby peasants not suitable people to have hunting licences

Originally Posted by shooternz

The rioters are the grubby peasants not suitable people to have hunting licences