Moose

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Originally Posted by Hunteast

Ken and Co are not/have not being the only people looking for moose in Fiordland. Alex Gale & his son have spent a small sum in helicopter trips into the moose area near Supper Cove over the years looking for ...the moose. You don't have to be on tv/write a book to say your a moose hunter. Just saying. I would say shoot or take a bloody good photo if you see one. Call up a chopper to lift out. Moose in Fiordland, not impossible but highly unlikely in todays environment.

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I know of someone else as well, and there is an Australian chap who is a bit mad about it, he believes a little too much if you know what I mean...we found moose sign very quickly, yet most people think it is a big mystery or are convinced there are none, thats why I say people are not looking hard enough, or rather, not many are seriously looking.

(Trampers on the Dusky track dont count. Trampers mostly dont see anything. They never even see deer. I once stood on the side of that track waving as a party of twenty of them filed past slowly. Not one of them noticed me.)

are you super skinny you may have just looked like a sapling blowing around - or the words going around the group were its a bloody hunter dont annoy him just ignore him he will go away

I havent been that skinny for a long time...they all had their heads down with their walking sticks going. To be fair, theres not a lot to see on the Dusky track, just mud...

well good luck with the moose search by the way what do they eat like - tough as or can they be good eating - just curious - have to be someone who has been Canada or Alaska last one was shot here I think it was 1928

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Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

well good luck with the moose search by the way what do they eat like - tough as or can they be good eating - just curious - have to be someone who has been Canada or Alaska last one was shot here I think it was 1928

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I have heard its much like venison, coarser grained. The last one shot was in about 1971 by Gordon Anderson, a commercial meat shooter. Before that was a bull in 1952 by Percy Lyes, a deer culler. Others were shot in the 1930's. Some certainly undocumented as well, and some by fishermen over the years.

I should take Ken Tustin my copy of his book and get him to update it with a pen on the back page with the helicopter sighting in 1920 and this new one in Keppler.

Have had it in burger form in Alaska and Canada, I found it tasted like strong beef but then in burger you never know what else has been added.

Ive eaten it in Sweden. Really nice. More beef like than venison I found. I was on the dogs one day on a driven hunt and had a bull charge past us at 10-15 meters. An incredible sight and sound of heavy foot falls and smashing timber.
When you have seen a few you can't really mistake them for deer. Shape is totally wrong. The trail cam shot of kens is a moose in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by whanahuia

Ive eaten it in Sweden. Really nice. More beef like than venison I found. I was on the dogs one day on a driven hunt and had a bull charge past us at 10-15 meters. An incredible sight and sound of heavy foot falls and smashing timber.
When you have seen a few you can't really mistake them for deer. Shape is totally wrong. The trail cam shot of kens is a moose in my opinion.

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Yes I agree. It's not a red deer, so that doesnt leave much else.

A friend in Canada todlme the story of being charged by a bull moose outside his cabin. He went backwards as the moose came at him, and it was coming right in through the door, but its antlers stopped it on either side of the doorway. Apparently they hurt a lot of people up there.

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And they taste great

I've killed a bull and cow here in Wyoming. Courser grained and milder flavor compared to elk and deer. The bull was old and tough but the cow was young and tender. I thought they ate great but my wife disagreed.

Where can i see the trail cam pic you speak of Whanahuia?

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Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

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Wow, the size of the thing... Every time I see photo's like that I am reminded how much bigger they are than the commonly available species in NZ. There was a Belgian I think double-muscle beast in the back of Taupo/Mangakino area that stopped a conversation I was having with my passenger when we drove through there, we turned around and went back for a second look. Massive animal, and a real impressive sight to see just standing in a paddock. There were a small number of American Bison on a station in the Mohaka area a few years back, the bull was another impressive animal to look at.

It would be very cool to see or find that the moose have survived, but to do that you'd have to think that they would have to be thriving in some form and not just surviving with one or two animals scattered. There would be signs of that if it was the case surely? Is there anything in NZ (well fiordland area anyway) that moose can interbreed with and hybridise and keep the genes going in some form?

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Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

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And shot in an exotic forest too. Looks like they spread into southland.

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Originally Posted by Carl 9.3x62

I've killed a bull and cow here in Wyoming. Courser grained and milder flavor compared to elk and deer. The bull was old and tough but the cow was young and tender. I thought they ate great but my wife disagreed.

Where can i see the trail cam pic you speak of Whanahuia?

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Here you go.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/120...-national-park

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Originally Posted by whanahuia

And shot in an exotic forest too. Looks like they spread into southland.

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No, I can honestly say that was shot in the native.

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Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

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Mate I told you when I put you onto that animal that you were not to post photos on the internet because they would recognise the backdrop. Now every bugger in creation will be hunting up the back of Eketahuna. Ha ha ha ha

Searching for NZ moose is akin to Haemorrhoids,you know they're there but you can't see them.

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No, I can honestly say that was shot in the native.

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Absolutely - native to North America

This one?
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Originally Posted by whanahuia

Here you go.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/120...-national-park

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Firstly - I am no authority on what a Deer/Moose/Elk/Caribou/Eland/Donkey looks like.

For curiosity's sake I took that photo and blew it up and enhanced the contrast - pretty messy, a few points:

A/. curved back, noted

B/. webbing to groin area, prolly normal to all?

C/. nose/muzzle

D/. eye area

E/. these dark blotches seem to me, to be bush in the background rather than part of the animal

F/. over to you.... :)


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there is only way thing sure about that photo its a piss poor camera

I think its the same camera used to take all those photos of big foot

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Originally Posted by 7mm Rem Mag

I think its the same camera used to take all those photos of big foot

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Who has been even more elusive since being released into the wilds of Fiordland!

This thread is amooseing

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Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

there is only way thing sure about that photo its a piss poor camera

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$2 shop camera.

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Originally Posted by John Duxbury

Thats the conclusion I came to, the only way people will believe is if one gets shot and the carcass gets dragged through Tuatapere or Te Anau behind a Land Rover. The people will come out to look, holding burning torches and suchlike, like its a dead vampire.

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I wonder what it would take to convince people moose have died out in Fiordland, if not now then one day?

I doubt there is anything, so Schrödinger's Mooses will live forever.

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Originally Posted by MarkN

Firstly - I am no authority on what a Deer/Moose/Elk/Caribou/Eland/Donkey looks like.

For curiosity's sake I took that photo and blew it up and enhanced the contrast - pretty messy, a few points:

A/. curved back, noted

B/. webbing to groin area, prolly normal to all?

C/. nose/muzzle

D/. eye area

E/. these dark blotches seem to me, to be bush in the background rather than part of the animal

F/. over to you.... :)


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Well one thing is for sure, the photo is less than good. The appearance of a large rump, shoulder hump, and dark color lead me to think is could be a moose, but impossible to be sure. A "maybe" at best. Moose don't have a webbed groin, not sure what your other arrows are pointing to.

could also be a horse looks a bit like it

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Originally Posted by Carl 9.3x62

Well one thing is for sure, the photo is less than good. The appearance of a large rump, shoulder hump, and dark color lead me to think is could be a moose, but impossible to be sure. A "maybe" at best. Moose don't have a webbed groin, not sure what your other arrows are pointing to.

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When you combine it with 2 moose DNA samples a few years later, the odds of what it is are strongly towards moose.

One thing is for certain, there ARE moose bones in Fiordland!

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Originally Posted by Gibo

One thing is for certain, there ARE moose bones in Fiordland!

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Found in the same ashes as the Moa bones?

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Originally Posted by Oscar

I wonder what it would take to convince people moose have died out in Fiordland, if not now then one day?

I doubt there is anything, so Schrödinger's Mooses will live forever.

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You seem to be wilfully ignoring a recent sighting by a reliable eye witness. :D Two recent eyewitnesses actually, counting the chopper pilot in 2020. (That was always the thing people said - "how come the chopper pilots dont see one" then a pilot does see one, and it doesnt matter anyway...)

If you want proof, someone has to make a better moosetrap to catch the moose.

one thing that does suprise me no one reports having heard one - I believe bull moose are vocal but zilch nothing at all reported

Ray Tinsley heard cow calling in the Dusky Sound area, 1970's. Its the females that call, the bull moose grunt.

I thought I heard one once two years ago, early in the roar in South Westland, but I have kept that from Oscar. Dont tell him.

Lets not forget the sightings of the Southland Otter...........

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Originally Posted by Friwi

If you want proof, someone has to make a better moosetrap to catch the moose.

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Elephant trap for a big bull moose is needed.

no what we need is someone with a decent camera or to shoot one and then we have proof every thing else is rumour

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Originally Posted by John Duxbury

I have heard its much like venison, coarser grained. The last one shot was in about 1971 by Gordon Anderson, a commercial meat shooter. Before that was a bull in 1952 by Percy Lyes, a deer culler. Others were shot in the 1930's. Some certainly undocumented as well, and some by fishermen over the years.

I should take Ken Tustin my copy of his book and get him to update it with a pen on the back page with the helicopter sighting in 1920 and this new one in Keppler.

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You mentioned Gordon Anderson..Gordon ,myself and another mate were well into finding,shooting and selling things with four legs lol ..I believe I have put up a pic or three with Gordon &co back in the day..he sure did drop a female moosey back then.