Thread: Poor Man's AR

Originally Posted by dogmatix

Point taken.
@Tahr, what happened to your hunting diary thread on Fishnhunt? I cant find it.

@dogmatix It was surrounded by 1080 bull shit so I deleted it and shifted it to here to the Hunting section.

Originally Posted by berg243

i am impressed by the performance of those projectiles.i have shoot all the few deer I have got with a 223 Remington factory 55 grain supposedly core lokt projectiles no pass through even on a fallow deer.last one I shot with 223 was a big stag at 53m was underwhelmed on performance even though the stag only went 30m and lay down.after that one decided I needed something better but now looking at the results of your one I think I might get another one.

The Barnes TTSX are primo in .223 too. I use 55 grn.

2nd to last hunt dropped two fallow with the 55 Hornady training rounds. Bang flop . On a day at the range afterwards found the Fiocci equivalent real accurate so bought a pile.
Next Fallow hunt what a shambles. 1st hit laughed and walked away. Took a while to find it. 2nd the same if not worse... Proved a point to me and wont use those again ...
Funny how you d think same weight same speed both accurate as at the range but huge result difference.. Wont be doing that again for sure.. Man @thar you do the work and the miles
and get the results awesome...

Tahr I think Mr Cahill should disarm you as you are running amok killing deer with evil firearms and who knows where it might end? Ha ha ha ha good on ya!

Nice bit of prime venison for Xmas.
Well done Sir

Nice going again Tahr. The 222, 223 are underrated as deer calibers. Many years ago in the Forest Service and in my meat hunting days I used the 222 Rem and it performed well even on longer shots.
It was common for shoulder shot animals to run 20-30 meters before going down. I shoulder shot a 100 odd kg red stag one time in the shoulder at about 40 meters and he piled up 20 meters into the bush. The beauty of these light calibers is they were accurate and you seldom missed so a short follow up most times resulted in a dead animal.
I currently have a Mod 7 223 which I don't use much these days but it has knocked a few animals over with those 55gr Hornady SP/WC projectiles.

This is my second 223. The other was a Sako 75 wood/stainless when they first came out and I didn't like it. Too heavy for calibre and it would just flop the empties back onto the chamber/magazine. I used a Brno 222 when I was meat hunting for a few years (used Sako and Hertenburg (sp?) ammo).

This Lightweight Savage is the best of them. Light and portable, accurate, reliable and excellent trigger. Oh, and a slow twist barrel that I can load heavier projectiles for.

I was kicking myself for missing out on a left handed Savage 223 for TimeRider a couple of months back. It sold for a song too.

You really are showing me up, getting out there and doing it.

awsome to see these ar's out there doing it, as allways- a few questions: what grip is that? I cant tell, is that a free float forend? if so, what brand? standard triger? or did you also feel the need to upgrade it? I see you went for a long barrel, did you think this was necasery or just what it came with?

Originally Posted by Mooseman

Nice going again Tahr. The 222, 223 are underrated as deer calibers. Many years ago in the Forest Service and in my meat hunting days I used the 222 Rem and it performed well even on longer shots.
It was common for shoulder shot animals to run 20-30 meters before going down. I shoulder shot a 100 odd kg red stag one time in the shoulder at about 40 meters and he piled up 20 meters into the bush. The beauty of these light calibers is they were accurate and you seldom missed so a short follow up most times resulted in a dead animal.
I currently have a Mod 7 223 which I don't use much these days but it has knocked a few animals over with those 55gr Hornady SP/WC projectiles.

My first animal was taken with the guides .222 Remington, a fallow stag about 80 mts, bang flop, no follow up shot needed, was very impressed......... he told me though, dont try this caliber on a stag in the roar....(Tui ad)

Originally Posted by res

awsome to see these ar's out there doing it, as allways- a few questions: what grip is that? I cant tell, is that a free float forend? if so, what brand? standard triger? or did you also feel the need to upgrade it? I see you went for a long barrel, did you think this was necasery or just what it came with?

To answer your questions @res :

Its the standard wooden grip. I'm trying to source a FN SLR wood grip for it but I can't find one that match's the grain.

The barrel is free floating if you mean did I pay to have it floated? It was like that when I bought it, so yes it was free.

Its the standard trigger. If you pull back on it hard enough it makes the rifle fire. I find that adequate. You have to remember though to push the safety to the "kill Zombies" position for it to work.

It came with quite a short barrel so I had a gun smith lengthen it.

You might be able to answer a question for me though @res; how long do you think it will be before they ban these??

Originally Posted by Tahr

This is my second 223. The other was a Sako 75 wood/stainless when they first came out and I didn't like it. Too heavy for calibre and it would just flop the empties back onto the chamber/magazine. I used a Brno 222 when I was meat hunting for a few years (used Sako and Hertenburg (sp?) ammo).

This Lightweight Savage is the best of them. Light and portable, accurate, reliable and excellent trigger. Oh, and a slow twist barrel that I can load heavier projectiles for.

My .223 Sako 75 Stainless laminate does the same thing. But my .270 75 Finnlight flings the brass a mile.
I've looked at a strsinger ejection spring, but Brownells charge an arm and a leg for the factory springs/unit.

Originally Posted by Tahr

To answer your questions @res :

Its the standard wooden grip. I'm trying to source a FN SLR wood grip for it but I can't find one that match's the grain.

The barrel is free floating if you mean did I pay to have it floated? It was like that when I bought it, so yes it was free.

Its the standard trigger. If you pull back on it hard enough it makes the rifle fire. I find that adequate. You have to remember though to push the safety to the "kill Zombies" position for it to work.

It came with quite a short barrel so I had a gun smith lengthen it.

You might be able to answer a question for me though @res; how long do you think it will be before they ban these??

You are a bloody worry mate

good girl Tilly....I use the 50 grn ttsx with great results but seldome stretch barrel and call 150ish my limit.

Originally Posted by Tahr

This is my second 223. The other was a Sako 75 wood/stainless when they first came out and I didn't like it. Too heavy for calibre and it would just flop the empties back onto the chamber/magazine. I used a Brno 222 when I was meat hunting for a few years (used Sako and Hertenburg (sp?) ammo).

This Lightweight Savage is the best of them. Light and portable, accurate, reliable and excellent trigger. Oh, and a slow twist barrel that I can load heavier projectiles for.

Yes I used a Sako Vixen bought while working for Forest Service ( cost $180 dollars new and $ 60 dollars for mounts and Weaver 4x scope )and strange you say you used Sako and Hertinberg ammo , so did we. We were mostly on goats but deer were present in the Rangitoto Range out of Otrohonga and the little Sako worked a treat on anything it was aimed at.
Beeman bought it of me and used it culling in the Kaimai's ; Wish I still had that rifle still.