Thread: Skiing with rifle, weather resistance.

Hi @Norway, after watching you little film I have been thinking about the emergency storm shelter / survival bag that you used. I see that 'Rab' have a similar item for sale here, but all of the ones I read about suffer from some condensation ( and have a vent) so this made me think that a large plastic bag might work just as well if a vent was added. I have some bags already that are made to line a crate 1000 x 1200 x 1600H. I would be grateful for your thoughts.

I don’t have to think very hard of a more comfortable place to be! I feel cold just watching.

I can see why you would carry the shelter, remember you used here.

What you get used to becomes the normal, bit of an eye opener for us

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Hi @Norway, after watching you little film I have been thinking about the emergency storm shelter / survival bag that you used. I see that 'Rab' have a similar item for sale here, but all of the ones I read about suffer from some condensation ( and have a vent) so this made me think that a large plastic bag might work just as well if a vent was added. I have some bags already that are made to line a crate 1000 x 1200 x 1600H. I would be grateful for your thoughts.

Are you referring to the Rab 2 person shelters? I don't like them because they are configured for sitting, you cannot lie down in them if you have an extended stay. I am looking at Ortovox bivy Pro myself as I would like to replace my current Jerven Original with something visible.

When I look at dimensions for myself, I want 120-140 cm width (so you can use a flask or heater inside) and length minimum 140cm and preferably 220cm. Strenght and weight is usually connected, strong multiuse ones weighs upwards to 1 kg, lighter use ones about 500 grams and single use shelters such as a plastic bin bag can be well under 0,1. On simple trips where it is just a matter of dodging a little weather or keeping a bit more heat whilst waiting for light, I am perfectly happy to use a plastic bag. Just poke a vent right in front of your face when you sit into it and don't go in/out more than you need to as they can collapse/rip.

The heavy expedition styles have more control over ventilation, but all of them will have condensation. That is the price you pay for arresting an air bubble around you, the payoff is that you spend less energy heating that air and the weather cannot get to you directly.
If you want to sleep in a bivvy bag, place your head towards shelter like a rock or a tree with feet pointing into the wind. (Not always possible). Put your sleeping pad, grass, whatever gets you off the ground INSIDE the bag. Tie the head end of the triangle you create as high as you can, stretch out the foot end and stake if able. Zip up to height of boots/above your head.

This really helps get rid of condensation and keeps you warm enough to avoid injury. Cross your legs to lock thighs, put hands into groin or armpits and doze. Wiggle/rock body when cold bites you, but do not "open" your position. I've spent night like that in New Zealand (shelter, wool shirt, no sleeping bag), benefit is that you can go very light drawback is significant sleep deprivation.

Together with a foam pad, this or a poncho can greatly increase your glassing comfort. If we look at weight-vs-comfort-offered, it is very difficult to beat. It certainly outperforms 0,5 kg insulation jacket for glassing...

Originally Posted by Stag

I don’t have to think very hard of a more comfortable place to be! I feel cold just watching.

I can see why you would carry the shelter, remember you used here.

What you get used to becomes the normal, bit of an eye opener for us

It's actually THE very same bag I carried back then so they last a long time. Together with some nylon thread and elastic bungee it can be quite useful.

Originally Posted by Norway

Are you referring to the Rab 2 person shelters? I don't like them because they are configured for sitting, you cannot lie down in them if you have an extended stay. I am looking at Ortovox bivy Pro myself as I would like to replace my current Jerven Original with something visible.

When I look at dimensions for myself, I want 120-140 cm width (so you can use a flask or heater inside) and length minimum 140cm and preferably 220cm. Strenght and weight is usually connected, strong multiuse ones weighs upwards to 1 kg, lighter use ones about 500 grams and single use shelters such as a plastic bin bag can be well under 0,1. On simple trips where it is just a matter of dodging a little weather or keeping a bit more heat whilst waiting for light, I am perfectly happy to use a plastic bag. Just poke a vent right in front of your face when you sit into it and don't go in/out more than you need to as they can collapse/rip.

The heavy expedition styles have more control over ventilation, but all of them will have condensation. That is the price you pay for arresting an air bubble around you, the payoff is that you spend less energy heating that air and the weather cannot get to you directly.
If you want to sleep in a bivvy bag, place your head towards shelter like a rock or a tree with feet pointing into the wind. (Not always possible). Put your sleeping pad, grass, whatever gets you off the ground INSIDE the bag. Tie the head end of the triangle you create as high as you can, stretch out the foot end and stake if able. Zip up to height of boots/above your head.

This really helps get rid of condensation and keeps you warm enough to avoid injury. Cross your legs to lock thighs, put hands into groin or armpits and doze. Wiggle/rock body when cold bites you, but do not "open" your position. I've spent night like that in New Zealand (shelter, wool shirt, no sleeping bag), benefit is that you can go very light drawback is significant sleep deprivation.

Together with a foam pad, this or a poncho can greatly increase your glassing comfort. If we look at weight-vs-comfort-offered, it is very difficult to beat. It certainly outperforms 0,5 kg insulation jacket for glassing...



It's actually THE very same bag I carried back then so they last a long time. Together with some nylon thread and elastic bungee it can be quite useful.

Thank you for the reply. Actually it was just yesterday evening that I actually got to look at a Rab 2 person in the flesh. I had my 5yr boy with me and there was not really enough room for the two of us for a simulated hot drink, snack etc. plus with no window it was a bit dark.
I think I will just take the export crate liner bag ( 1000 x 1200 x 1600) and see what I think. Certainly has a plus for walking in and sitting waiting for first light when it is easy to get chilled. Should be easy enough to tape a combo vent / stuff pocket into the corner

A great video, really enjoyed it.
Looks very cold, looks like an environment you could easily get lost in as well.

Originally Posted by Norway

After another long spell of "Access Forbidden" error message, I'm finally back to reply., IF anyone knows why this happens, please do tell. It's the only forum it happens to.


The genius designers put in a "rocket chute" (the very name they chose) which you simply unzip.


Thanks! It's a neat trick to keep my kids off the channel. They are beyond embarrassed and would NOT like their friends to see. Suits me fine, no guntalk between parents at social events.


no, but age sure does.


No. Be up at first light and they can be quite active vocal, you'll hear them. If they are quiet, you just have to ski into likely locations which is anywhere windswept as they do not eat snow.


You know what they say, happy wife happy life. Angry wife...spend a lot of time outdoors. No, not really. But statistically weather up here is plain shit. The threshold for "storm" classification (in terms of civil services upgrading their alert level" is actually higher up north than down south simply because we have so much poor weather and society at large is more used to it.


i have used this very bag on New Zealand and spent the night in it as I was not willing to cross a river at night as I could not see the other side. When light came it was easy-peasy, in the dark I had no clue of actual risk and played it safe. That was coming down after shooting my first ever thar.

I just about gave up on the forum with that "access forbidden" thing. If I remember rightly I just logged out and back in again and haven't had an issue since.

Greetings...this place look familiar ???