looked at those plinkers,then decided there is no way in hell they could be any better than shootersnzs 151s they wont expand more and have less weight so wont penertrate as far if hit bone... on side note the 200grn jobbies he makes work fine in my .308 but I will need to drop below 10grns TB as they still pretty loud.....goes to show every rifle is different.
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