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Heya, thanks for watching, I appreciate the support :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shootm
I had to really shop around as nobody really freights the powder anymore.
I ended up buying 2.5Kg from H&F - which is enough for about 3,500 rounds!
I think Dead Eye Dicks had some too, down in Levin.
I rang H&F yesterday and they were sold out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clubbie
I’ll have to try DED today.
Let me know if you get stuck.... I really don't need all 2.5Kg!! I'll hook you up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shootm
Any more info on loading these? I am also playing with the cast bullets, last week I tried a few 200gr with 10gr of trail boss, 66mm COAL and a 3mm drilled flash hole and some federal magnum primers and they shot around 1150fps with 2 a bit higher, looked like one keyholed on target.
Rifle is a 16in barrel Tikka.
At 66mm chambering a round in my rifle is still swaging rifling marks in the bullet however I shortened it up so it is still easy to chamber. Interested in what OAL everyone is using?
Is anyone using any fillers or having issues with inconsistent velocity?
Stop drilling out flash holes and there is no need for Magnum primers you are not tried to ignite coal, If standard primers will ignite 46.00 grains of 2206H why won't theyQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
work with Trail Boss that is even easier to ignite,
Give your barrel a good clean any copper in there will cause lead fouling, the 11" twist will stabilise the 200 Grain but try the 151HP that works in any .30 cal.
...and don't use fillers with Trail Boss as it's not position sensitive. Does not have to be stuffed back up against the primer hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Has anyone tried these Winchester Super Suppressed - $60 / per box of 20 at the usual places.
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why would you when its only for target work????? kind of a giant leap backwards wouldnt you think...
They might be made for the military (the bullet although open tip is not designed to mushroom so "legal") and also sold to civilians who want to be very civil at the range -- maybe also sipping tea from a cup and saucer at the shooting bench while the barrel cools in between.
Someone somewhere will do a water jug experiment before and after annealing the tip, but I doubt it will do quite as well as HP soft lead boolits.
Yes check my TM listings
Yes, it looks like this ammo uses Open Tip Match (OTM) projectiles and I'd be curious to see a water jug experiment !Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
They will not do well, beyond tumbling as spitzers do. OTM is not the same as what gets sold as a "hollow point". OTMs are not designed to expand, HPs are.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiinSeattle
Yes, is a 308, my barrel was pretty filthy after that, wasn't that clean to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
I had a bag of the 151gr too but started with the 200gr going with the theory of bigger is better.
Used a standard primer and copied @Flyblown and loaded up some 151gr with 7.8gr of trailboss and had a chance to put them on paper and over the chronograph today and am happy with the results.
Will have another crack at loading the 200gr in the futurehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...196769e696.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...07c2d4bac6.jpg
I’d be happy with that.
Just waiting for projectiles to turn up and I’ll be into it.
They are in the mail NZ Post #LD006896237NZ should see them MondayQuote:
Originally Posted by Shootm
sorry for the slow delivery I have been flat out since boxing day.
What range is that group shot at?50 or 100? Nice group,
Closer to 40, was more interested in velocity at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by The bomb
I'm planning on testing them out to 100 just to see what they drop like vs my standard zero.
probably ABOUT 8-12"
My 151g cast subs drop 11-12in from 50 to 100m zero.
Did some testing of the 150gr .308 casts today. We clocked them at an average of 1140fps and using algebra and and some magic we worked out the coefficient to be approx 0.15
Drop was about 37inches at 188 yards.
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Handy info!Quote:
Originally Posted by aetchell
I think it needs a bit more tweaking and testing but it should help out anyone else trying to create charts. I personally wouldn't use them beyond 75 - 100yrds thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
$3 a shot to put holes in paper while developing a load starts to add up though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Clubbie
$15 per trial load....... to test....it depends on what you end game expectation is.....if you after a say 200 yard deer rifle you realistically need to achieve betterthan 3"....MOST loads should do that without any real fuss or bother (I cant think of ANY load Ive made over the years other than one that was that bad...and I killed many wallabies with that load...retweaked it for a mate and its MOA in his rifle) you will pay more for petrol to get to your hunting area than you ever will on load testing with a single shot rifle.
:) fair call.
Though I'd check out the subsonic 308s again on a recent trip. Did some drop tests to set up a new scope with BDC reticle.
What I've found with the reloading is that a final crimp makes a massive difference to accuracy. The uncrimped loads would go ok with perfectly acceptable accuracy, then you'd get one or two fliers that were way off. A bit of checking, and there's a few reloads in the batch where the neck tension is insufficient to hold the cast lead bullet, you can move the bullet with the thumb and forefinger. I experimented a bit with crimp strength and settled on a kind of "medium" crimp that firmly holds the bullet in place.
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Since then we've been pinging coke cans at 100m, and accuracy on goats has been more than good enough to put the bullet where it counts.
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Incidentally, on goats I have found that the best way to achieve a bang-flop kill is to wait (if you can) for the animal to be quartering away or towards, so that you get a raking shot across the chest cavity. If they are a smaller animal and broadside, you probably won't get the expansion for a super-quick kill and they'll run until they bleed out. Both of these were shot in the front chest while facing me, and they went down hard on the spot.
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Great info thanks,only ever had the balls to use my cast loads on small game..Just got expanding die and crimp die as well so looking forward to trying out the new and improved versions.
@shooternz do you know of many people using your 151 on reds and pigs? I currently load some 160gr Peregrine/Discreet ballistics copper bullets (same concept as the lehigh ones) as subs but be good to use some of your bullets especially under 100 yards but always concerned they wont penetrate enough for a big red or pig. I also currently use your 151's on goats and it works great.
I get great accuracy with the Peregrine/Discreet Ballistic bullets out to about 200 yards and they sure are deadly, but i only have a very limited supply which i only get to restock once a year when i go on holiday so would prefer a local bullet for the majority of shooting.
One thing with the 151's, they dont feed in my magazine, i have to single feed. Is this common or do i just have a shit rifle?
FYI, my drop for the 160gr copper bullets at 1050fps 2mills at 100m and 8 mills at 200m with a 50m zero if that of any use to anyone. the Mill reticle in the ATN sure is handy for this, as the internal ballistic calculator is junk, so i work it out on Applied Ballistics and then just holdover.
The 151g cast don’t feed well in my A7 either I just single load.the 170g pointed non hollow point version do but don’t expand very much at sub speeds.
