Thread: Tuhoe Banish Hunters

Originally Posted by BobGibson

Below is a cut/paste from Tuhoe Website. I would strongly advise we all sit back and wait until the system is working.
I also think Riflemans input was very relevant



HUNTING PERMITS FOR TE UREWERA ARE CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE.

The Te Urewera Act requires hunters to obtain a permit to carry a rifle or take pigdogs into Te Urewera. New rifle and pigdog permits are being designed that reflects the new Te Urewera and the principles of the new Act, the safety of the hunter, visitors and the environment. At this time it is not known when that process will be completed. When done the new permit will be located on this website (except for pigdog permits, which must be obtained in person) and can be accessed from any computer. Permits previously issued by DOC are no longer valid. Fishing licences will continue to be provided by Fish and Game.



ACCESS INTO TE UREWERA WILL CONTINUE TO BE FREELY AVAILABLE.

access will continue to be freely available .... but will hunting access?

Originally Posted by outinabout

That is bullshit. That is were it all starts. Hunting for the wealthy only?? what happens when you cant get a permit because you dont have the cash that an overseas tourist has for his little hunting safari?? Think this will be the last national park claim do you? dangerous path mark my words.

Payment based/pay per use permit systems have been around for years.

Originally Posted by JoshC

Payment based/pay per use permit systems have been around for years.

Doesn't make it right.

To be fair I don't believe any land should belong to anyone. And I find it ironic Maori are claiming ownership over something they have claimed for the last two centuries cannot be owned. I personally subscribe to their early philosophy. The land belongs to everyone, because we belong to the land.

Pretty emotive title, the trustee group hasn't appointed somebody to the position that will take care of permits yet.

Originally Posted by distant stalker

Pretty emotive title, the trustee group hasn't appointed somebody to the position that will take care of permits yet.

Agreed. Could have done themselves a favour with a little forward planning though

They are saying that they hope to have a permit system in place by xmas
One of my concerns is that they will try and split the park into separate hunting blocks, as has been done elsewhere. The laughable situation at Tataraakina is one that should not be repeated imo.
Double bookings, access issues, no decent maps available to show boundaries which leaves hunters in a potentially dangerous position.
Hopefully Tuhoe learn from the mistakes of others.

It will be very interesting watching how this pans out. Part of the agreement was that hunters would not be charged for permits but nothing to stop an "admin" fee.
Will doc still be maintaining huts and tracks??? And who owns the roads and will be maintaining them??
I'm all for user pays but will someone be charging for use of things that is government paid for??
And will there be recognised wardens or is it just the locals doing what they like with stand over tactics.
I have a feeling this is a saga that will continue for some years .

It doesn't matter who paid for roads/huts or any other assets in years gone by. They belong to Tuhoe now and they have to maintain them so an admin fee or any other charge is entirely up to Tuhoe and I have no problem with that. I know of several tourist sites that local iwi have taken over and everyone of them is a far better facility now and none of the charges are unreasonable. We should all be working with Tuhoe on this because their anti 1080 stance could be a shining example to DOC on how to control pests in the rest of the conversation estate and this would be beneficial to all hunters. As stated by someone perviously there are many other private property owners to charge for access so Tuhoe is no different in that regard. I just hope the majority of hunters work with them and cooperate with regard to access. Unfortunately there will probably be some rednecks who will stir this for all its worth to justify their own bigoted views.

Originally Posted by BobGibson

It doesn't matter who paid for roads/huts or any other assets in years gone by. They belong to Tuhoe now and they have to maintain them so an admin fee or any other charge is entirely up to Tuhoe and I have no problem with that. I know of several tourist sites that local iwi have taken over and everyone of them is a far better facility now and none of the charges are unreasonable. We should all be working with Tuhoe on this because their anti 1080 stance could be a shining example to DOC on how to control pests in the rest of the conversation estate and this would be beneficial to all hunters. As stated by someone perviously there are many other private property owners to charge for access so Tuhoe is no different in that regard. I just hope the majority of hunters work with them and cooperate with regard to access. Unfortunately there will probably be some rednecks who will stir this for all its worth to justify their own bigoted views.

I like the way you think 'Bob' Since I was living close to the Northern access of Te Urewera in about 1986 to 1998 Tuhoe have fought to keep as much of the park clear of 1080 as they could. When 1080 was dropped small towns around the National Park would suffer real hardship.
No pork, no deer to sell, and no fur or skins. Families would do it real hard in those days including my own.

In the early 90s some big trapping programs were started using local labour. They were very successful some offshoots of those trapping programs are still running successfully today. The Northern Urewera Mainland Island Restoration is but one of them.

Its a well used statement in that Area "If DOC take an interest in an area or its flora and fauna it will soon be fucked"

[QUOTE=BobGibson;303893]It doesn't matter who paid for roads/huts or any other assets in years gone by. They belong to Tuhoe now and they have to maintain them so an admin fee or any other charge is entirely up to Tuhoe and I have no problem with that.

I don't have an issue with a land owner having a fair charge for users. What worries me is doc will continue to do the work on the tracks / huts /roads etc . While someone else profits from it.
If as you have stated "they have to pay for it" was to be true then why is doc not closing down the murapara office??

I hope so bob.

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Was planning to relocate to BoP next year... Might rethink that if access to Te Urewera is too restricted. Anyone know if any of Whirinaki is affected under the return to Tuhoe? Or does the road between Murupara and Waikaremoana act as the clear boundary?

Te Urewera the Tuhoe Homeland

It's great that Tuhoe can have a say in what happens in their historical area/whenua. I think they will do right by us all as hunters (Maori, European, Pakeha or however you prefer to define yourself). They know first hand the significance and value of deer, pigs, possum etc living in their rohe (area). What I can't quite work out is the haphazard manner in which the governance transition is being rolled out. Why has DOC stopped issuing permits before another system was ready to roll? Who made that call? The newspaper article would, in its alarmist tone, suggest that Tuhoe did. But it would have been pretty obvious that this would cause alarm and discord amongst the hunting fraternity. If DOC/the Government have made this decision without giving Tuhoe time to set up an alternative then I would say shame on them. If it was a Tuhoe call then I think they should have asked DOC to give them time to put something in place before literally telling hunters you can't hunt there.

It is frustrating that the transition between DOC permits and those issued by the board hasn't been done in a seamless way, but for me, I will reserve all judgement on this until the new permits actually come out. No point in getting ahead of yourself.