Thread: Tuhoe Banish Hunters

Front Page of Todays Waikato Times.

Hunters with Department Of Conservation-issued permits have been kicked out of the Urewera Ranges as Tuhoe flexes its muscles after regaining control of the National Park. Hunting in Te Urewera National Park has been suspended indefinitely and all DOC permits to hunt or run pig dogs in the area are now void.

The dramatic changes come on the heels of the Te Urewera act in which Te Urewera's status as a National Park was rescinded and management ceded to the new Te Urewera Board a joint Crown owned Tuhoe partnership.

Doc communications and engagement adviser Robert Orchard said permits to hunt Te Urewera National Park were no longer available.

"We're not issuing permits. DOC hunting permits are not being recognised by the board that's all I can say". ............

So there is going to be a bunch of people hunting there soon with no permits it take it. I may be one of them.

I just started a similar thread

Here's the paper link...
Tuhoe banishes hunters in Urewera | Stuff.co.nz

Clyde Grafs FB page this week had a quote from TH management. THey said they are working out a new process, since DOC permits no longer apply, the system to manage hunters will be by permit too (eventually) as per this page Governance and Management : Tuhoe.

I expect it wouldn't take much for them to start charging access.

One good thing is they won't be supporting a 1080 dump in the Urewares.

My thinking is that as they (DOC) have not notifies permit holders of the situation, then any current permit must be biding.
I realise that if faced with a bunch of aggrieved locals, this is not really going to carry any weight, but legally, it must stand

Anything to make a buck. It didnt take them long to stop hunting via permits issued by DOC. I see that no new concession will be issued until April 2015. Is this in relation to hunting permit? I was planing a trip down that way with a permit so I guess it will now be planed without a permit.

Bet you will be allowed in if you pay them a nice sum. Tuhoe being tutoe

I think it highly likely that hunting access will be issued on a user pays basis and personally I do not struggle with Tuhoe doing so if it is properly administered and the charges are fair and equitable. The crown in giving the management of Te Uruwera back to Tuhoe as part of the settlement with them acknowledged that Tuhoe never gave up their up their ownership of Te Uruwera and never were a party to the Treaty of Waitangi. As much as I am a strong advocate for a non discriminatory, classless, one nation New Zealand, my feeling is that they have the right to treat the area in the same way that any other owner of private land can and that they equally have the right to either allow free access or to charge a fee. We may not like it but mark my words "so it will be".

It was a given that this would be the outcome.

Good on them it is there land ,it will still be hunted by NZers in which in the near future we may or may not be charged for the permits ,nothing wrong with user pays ..

Originally Posted by NZHTR

Good on them it is there land ,it will still be hunted by NZers in which in the near future we may or may not be charged for the permits ,nothing wrong with user pays ..

That is bullshit. That is were it all starts. Hunting for the wealthy only?? what happens when you cant get a permit because you dont have the cash that an overseas tourist has for his little hunting safari?? Think this will be the last national park claim do you? dangerous path mark my words.

[QUOTE=outinabout;304031]That is bullshit. That is were it all starts. Hunting for the wealthy only?? what happens when you cant get a permit because you dont have the cash that an overseas tourist has for his little hunting safari?? Think this will be the last national park claim do you? dangerous path mark my words.[/QUOT
Lol sorry you've lost a few acres mate ,ill wait and see what the outcome is before i blow my foo foo valve .

Originally Posted by outinabout

That is bullshit. That is were it all starts. Hunting for the wealthy only?? what happens when you cant get a permit because you dont have the cash that an overseas tourist has for his little hunting safari?? Think this will be the last national park claim do you? dangerous path mark my words.

Find yourself a nice girl from Murupara or Taneatua and join the whanau. Problem sorted

Below is a cut/paste from Tuhoe Website. I would strongly advise we all sit back and wait until the system is working.
I also think Riflemans input was very relevant



HUNTING PERMITS FOR TE UREWERA ARE CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE.

The Te Urewera Act requires hunters to obtain a permit to carry a rifle or take pigdogs into Te Urewera. New rifle and pigdog permits are being designed that reflects the new Te Urewera and the principles of the new Act, the safety of the hunter, visitors and the environment. At this time it is not known when that process will be completed. When done the new permit will be located on this website (except for pigdog permits, which must be obtained in person) and can be accessed from any computer. Permits previously issued by DOC are no longer valid. Fishing licences will continue to be provided by Fish and Game.



ACCESS INTO TE UREWERA WILL CONTINUE TO BE FREELY AVAILABLE.

Originally Posted by BobGibson

Below is a cut/paste from Tuhoe Website. I would strongly advise we all sit back and wait until the system is working.
I also think Riflemans input was very relevant



HUNTING PERMITS FOR TE UREWERA ARE CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE.

The Te Urewera Act requires hunters to obtain a permit to carry a rifle or take pigdogs into Te Urewera. New rifle and pigdog permits are being designed that reflects the new Te Urewera and the principles of the new Act, the safety of the hunter, visitors and the environment. At this time it is not known when that process will be completed. When done the new permit will be located on this website (except for pigdog permits, which must be obtained in person) and can be accessed from any computer. Permits previously issued by DOC are no longer valid. Fishing licences will continue to be provided by Fish and Game.



ACCESS INTO TE UREWERA WILL CONTINUE TO BE FREELY AVAILABLE.

That looks to be more what I'd expect from Tuhoe .I've always found them to be fair with regards to hunters & treated with respect. But you must also respect their culture, traditions & them.
Little places like Murupara ,Te Whiti ,Aniwaniwa motor camp all rely on those hunters passing threw for income.
I think they will be fair in what they decide to do,will just wait & see.I don't think what they're doing is about money.
Personally I think their issues are with the crown & the government of this country & the way they have been treated by those party's.