Well I’m going to sell my wee Suzuki and going to buy a Ute. With my budget I am looking at the above vehicles. Both with reasonable high km, but that’s to be expected for that age.
Does anyone own either of the above? Pros or cons of each?
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Well I’m going to sell my wee Suzuki and going to buy a Ute. With my budget I am looking at the above vehicles. Both with reasonable high km, but that’s to be expected for that age.
Does anyone own either of the above? Pros or cons of each?
If it's the 3.0l ranger just watch out all the ones I know have blowen the head at some stage.
I have the Nissan for a few years good Ute for the money.
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Nissan all the way...
Looking at this one:
https://www.facebook.com/share/oWLKn...ibextid=79PoIi
Had motor rebuilt 27k ago
Though was really keen on a manual.
Once you've been off road in auto,you unlikely to go back to manual.
repent you sinner !Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
....could be worse you could have said you liked EV's
I learned to go off road in the army driving manual navaras out the back of Waiouru :)
Ahh, I've known more Navara's to crap themselves than the Ranger/BT50 of that era (as an aside, the BT50 is virtually the same vehicle as the Ranger and usually costs a lot less spec-spec). The Navara's with the 2.5L funky hairdryer setup was a poxy thing then and had all sorts of weirdities going wrong with them. The earlier version was notorious for dropping number 3 cylinder, the 2.5L suffered from turbo, head, cooling system and EGR/emissions nasties. Also, auto trans could be a lottery if used for a lot of towing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP
It's the old story, buy the vehicle not the sob story from the seller so get a full check done before you hand over the cash. Could save you thousands in repairs and hassle costs, but having said that if you get one that's cheap enough and honest enough it could still be worth a punt. The problem with these types of vehicles, the cost of the unit goes down as they get older but the cost to repair them gets dearer as labour goes up, parts get harder to get and etc etc etc.
The rangers/bt50's had their share of issues, clutches on the manuals was one area where they didn't do so well but on the whole they gave a reasonable run if well serviced and not abused. The Navara's left a few people marooned on the side of the road that I know of - one was the turbo shitting itself, another cracked a cooling fitting at the engine which cooked the donkey (was repaired under warranty luckily) and another suffered a clod of crap into the intake manifold which caused the dreaded lean out on a rear cylinder and holed out the piston (Four! - the owner was a mad nut golfer). Whatever you decide on get it checked and buy the vehicle, not the story!
I had one of those STX Navaras for a while, mine was the 6 speed although i was so used to driving 5 speeds id often have it singing along in 5th for hours before id remember it had a 6th gear lol. Was a good truck although had two issues in the time I had it, one was the 4wd actuator which crapped itself several times, I actually figurer out how to get under the truck and manually put it into 4wd it was so unreliable. Other issue was rust behind the windscreen, was unknown untill I had a smashed windscreen and Smith and Smith refused to put a new one in it as there was a heap of rust along the roofline behind the old one when they took it out, I had it rrpaired but it was a nearly $3000 exercise in the end. Not sure if that could be considered a common problem as I havent really heard of it in other Navaras but something to watch out for.
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Also of note, those Navaras have bugger all ground clearance for a 4wd, probably not an issue with the one youre looking at as has bigger tyres and possibly a lift by the looks of it?
The other one I was looking at was this:
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/iYy...ibextid=79PoIi
If your budget allows, stx 550 is a decent power train upgrade
That is true. The 550 is usually a chunk of change dearer though...
Stay away from the Nissan chassis snappers, there’s a reason the NZDF got rid of them as fast as they could for the equally suspect tritons in the same decade.
Also 07-09 PJ ranger/bt-50s suffered from EGR cooler failure and input shaft bearing failure., rectified fairly well on the PK ranger and Bt-50 2009-2011
Most people who have had bad luck with the ranger/BT50 utes of the era would have been stung by the EGR cooler failing and cooking the motor, then assuming it’s the head, remove and block the EGR and you will seldom have issues unless you are abusing and neglecting it.
The PK rangers we had at Fletchers all had well over 500,000 and showed no signs of slowing up (EGR removed from day dot) half a mil is easily achievable in a PK ranger with 10,000 service intervals, once you delete the EGR
EGR ????
Exhaust gas recirculation, early emissions control tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trout
Cycles exhaust gas back into the intake to be burned a second time round in order to lower emissions
Cons of this are carbon fouling in the intake restricting airflow and performance, increased intake temps, and failure of the cooler leading
To a cooked donk.
Thankfully (on a PK/PJ) you can block the holes with two small plates, and remove the EGR cooler and revert back to how the Ute should have been in the first place, and get those intake temps down 40 deg, all the while eliminating the primary cause of failure on the 3.0 WEAT engine.
Well I have had a good look at finances, and I can probably stretch to 20-22k for a Ute. I really want to get something reliable and a bit nicer that will last me the next 7-10 years. Obviously I can’t guarantee trouble free driving, but I can spend a bit more to try make that happen.
Is there a particular year that is considered more reliable? I’m open to all makes within the price range. I’m not set on one make, I just want something reliable, comfortable to drive and capable off road when it needs to be :)
The Ranger will be more comfortable than the Nissan. I worked with a guy who had a 2014 ranger manual with 350K on the clock, mine has just ticked over 229K on a 2012 manual and is on its way home today from our second month long trip towing the caravan. This trip will have added another 2k to the clock.
Mine is the bog standard no frills one its not even an LXT its lower than that yet still has everything except front fog lights and dual cabin controls that the LXT has.
I test drove one at 270,000 that belonged to a equine lady in fairlie. Towed big floats it's whole life and was quite surprised at well it still drove.
Ended up selling for 15k ish.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/4817803357
I have a 450 STX
I really don’t like it.
Sounds like a bloody jet taking off when first pulling away. Twin turbo thing apparently.
Paint is as thin as fuck and being black it shows up every last scratch and imperfection.
Voltage system is +ve grounded and if you hook up auxiliary electrical things incorrectly a very expensive electronic part shits itself. Ask me how I know.
Service costs are shocking.
Ground clearance is piss poor.
Extremely thirsty around town.
Fuel tank is too small
On the positive side, the heated seats are bloody awesome this time of year.
I don't think the patrol has such technology.Thanks for explaining Billymavs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billymavs
The PX ranger series and equivalent BT50 are light years ahead of the Pk/Pj rangers. I'd avoid the Nissan ute just with the ground clearance issue - they really are very car-like (car with a big bum). You would get a newer Triton or the like for that sort of money as well, although I think you'd be looking long and hard to get a half decent hilux at that coin. D-Max I'm not sure about, they are more like a worker's ute than anything in the Ranger or Mazda line (there's a reason the PX ranger has been the best selling unit for a long time now). The hilux seems to hold their value unnaturally well for what they are and do, they aren't anything special that a Ranger or BT50 won't do. Buy the vehicle and not the seller's story and dream haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delphus
Depends on the year, once Nissan switched from the old silver top TD42 to the mid life blacktop TD42 emissions started creeping in, mainly on AUS new trucks, pretty sure NZ didn’t have emissions requirements until about 2006Quote:
Originally Posted by Trout
The 3.0 ZD30 patrol/navara hand grenades also had massive amounts of emissions kit tacked on to them.
I know the 1999-2016 GU patrols got EGR ect, but it would appear most people blocked it off before the warranty even had time
To expire. Certainly wouldn’t be seeing over 400,000 on the original drivetrain with it unblocked and active !
Different between here an AUS, they have to have it for a roady if the vehicle came with it.
We do not need the EGR system For a warrant and most mechanics I have worked with or come across are generally happy to rip it out, easy money for them And a longer engine lifespan (healthier lifespan also) for the customer.
NZTA even grants certification for emissions to be removed, have seen it done on a few 2018 onwards landcruisers to eliminate the dreaded Toyota EGR/DPF system.
The ZD30 in itself wasn't that bad of a long block as far as engines are concerned - the turbo, cooling and intercooler setup (or more specifically the lack of it on some versions), the neither here-nor-there engine management setup and the dumb way the egr and crankcase vent setup stuffs the intake are the reasons the things tended to grenade themselves. With all of that crap sorted out or just ripped off and dumped on the roadside they went a LOT better and lasted a lot longer. Google NADS - or Nissan Anti-Detonation System...Quote:
Originally Posted by Billymavs
A suggestion - I'd widen your search a little and look at the Isuzu engined products.
In your price range you might find a 2008-10 Holden Colorado. This has the Isuzu 4JJ1 (about 160hp) motor and they are good reliable donks. 3.0 from memory. Just helped a young fella into one and he's very happy with it. A 2005-7 Rodeo also might fit your bill - I think they may run the earlier 4JH1. Rodeos fairly truck-like rather than luxurious but again reliable motors capable of big ks. Isuzu don't run little diesels with hair-dryers boosted to the max on them. Both Rodeo and Colorado have good solid Isuzu drivetrains and usually LSD.
EVERY truck ever made has some minuses but these two models (before Colorado swapped to I think the Italian FN Motori 2.8 in about 2011) are both known to do big ks. Two mates with them. Some Isuzu D-Maxs too for 22k or less on trademe. They're pretty sturdy also - good up to about 2020 when turbos began to give troubles. A 2013 D-Max 4x4 on trademe now in InverCargill?, 206ks, $20k.
My work Navarra 2.5 turbo STX was nice to drive but very bad rep - would look at one. Diesel workshop mate also does not have alot of good to say about Rangers - getting alot in for the reasons guys have mentioned above.
Yeah, technology for relatively short lived diesels. Unlike the mighty TD42T Patrol heading for three quarter of a million km just on regular oil and filter changes:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trout
The other benifit of the EGR delete is reducing the turbo lag. I have to pull out of a side road onto a busy 60kph high each morning and you would put your foot down and it would slowly crawl out onto the road while I watched the traffic come at me out my side window. then half way over the boost would suddenly come in and it would launch striaght ahead and not turn right onto into the lane unless I lifted off again. that was on a VW V6 ute and an earlier 2.5 lt Courier which was nutorious for needing a radiator flush.
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