Anyone have any experience with these? I'm looking for a 4x4 hunting wagon but these are pushing a few buttons, what are they like off-road/ on forrestry tracks etc
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Anyone have any experience with these? I'm looking for a 4x4 hunting wagon but these are pushing a few buttons, what are they like off-road/ on forrestry tracks etc
I wouldnt have one as a hunting wagon and i love mine. Awd isnt 4wd and will let you down eventually. Great motors and the only suby motor id buy. If youre only driving gravel it will be fine go a slightly larger profile tire see if theres a bigger spring available. Mine has a cream swede interior so not for me lmao.
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I had a 3.6 facelift with the CVT, really nice crusing car, with enough go for an overtake. great on gravel and farm acess tracks and sand but not an offroader.
My only grumble was if I started pushing a bit too hard up a tight wind bit of (damp) road as it would start to understeer as a warning to back off.
gravel road oversteer was possible if you came onto the power after the front end started pulling you around.
To be fair I had it from new so could not coment on reliability.
The one before was the Diesel legacy wagon(with the ugly slantly headlites) that I ran out to 140-150K. It had the occasional issue the DPF.
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Nothing wrong with an old school Sube "Outback or Froster" as a basic hunting wagon bud
I had a first gen 96 Outback ( only a the 2.5 ) but fuk me that thing was awesome for gravel n farm tracks etc, the long wheel base n shit plastic bash plate weren't great for full balling but we could drop the seats fully flat & it went any where, very impressive for a station wagon
The 08 Froster was even better on gravel, just a bit more compact length wise
I love Sube's, they are very underrated not just a Ski wanker wagon, but now they've gone to CVT not so much
Full on 4x4 would be good but it's not something I'd use much, just be forest roads/tracks getting to road ends etc and towing a small boat. I figure one of the first gen pre CVT 3.6's would do that and be ok on long road trips. A mate had a 2l legacy years back and it got into a lot of places you'd think were 4x4 only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipo
i have the 3.0 legacy, 5 speed auto. wont buy a newer model as cvt which is bloody horrible
got a 2004/5 outback 3.0, have had it for near 10 years now, dont want to get rid of it. for anything with a formed trail and not too much suspension travel requirements, they are unstopable. Have had mine balancing on two wheels crossing some nasty lumps that some solid axle twits had made in central otago and it keeps on going, mud in skippers? keeps on going. they run on 95 minimum but its no big issue.
From 1992 to 2008 I had 5 Legacy 4WD wagons ...... then an Outback for 5 years. All were manual transmissions, which meant they came with a transfer case, while the auto's didn't. Once they stopped being available in manual with the transfer case I stopped buying them.
In my experience with them their limiting factor was ground clearance ( particularly the Legacy's), so they all bottomed out well before anything else stopped them.
Hi/Lo range was really useful for teaching kids to drive/reversing with trailers etc.
Also spoiled the wife and bought a 3.0 litre manual Legacy sedan in 2005 ...... that car was a weapon.
Never had reliability issues except for a catalytic converter that crapped out in the Outback, but they were alll bought new, and run for 3-5 years except the 3.0 l which we kept for 10 years ( 125000 km) without any issues.
What do people have against CVT gear boxes?
I had a 2005 2.5L auto for a couple of months until it got stolen. That was an awesome car. Much nicer to drive than our previous 2008 X-trail.
I'd been hunting for a few days when some unexpected heavy rain came through. The 4WD access track out was super wet, slippery, and way deeper than I would have liked! Luckily there was a dude with a serious 4x4 leaving the block at the same time as me, I tailed him out thinking that at any point I would be fully stuck, but the Outback tracked incredibly well, got out no dramas.
Anyway, it got stolen and I recently replaced it with the 3.0L H6 2006, what a dream to drive!
Re the CVT, I've had 2 the 3,6 outback and a Levorg (WRX wagon),
Then just cruising its just differant as we are not used to it, Then they have the paddle shifters and preprogramed steps that simulated gears for say getting ready for an overtake, or engine breaking down hill. I've driven 2 Euro Dual clutch boxs since then.
Yes the dual clutch is probably a little more direct but at low speeds and around town the CVT is way smoother. (and more fuel efficent)
Don't compair any of the old CVT's with what Subaru has done with their ones. Drive one first.
Remember just beacuse something is differant does not make it bad. And the new ones are rated to tow 2.4 ton. The older first gen 3.6 CVT was only 1.8 ton from memory
Reliability wise they seem good. (not hard to be better than the Ranger 10sp box)
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Maybe this is a jafa thing but i've not encountered too many public places that let you go off road in the bush for ages. usually the roads are rooted so you have to walk anyway.
2 friends have outbacks and for towing/soft roading they are awesome. nicer to drive than a 4wd daily that is for sure
because belt drives belong in turntables not cars. having that the subby ones are reliable (its just like driving with a slippy clutch) the nissan ones are horrically unreliableQuote:
Originally Posted by 300wsm for life
Haha classic. @gonetropo thanks for the tips about the H6 version on my post in the buy/sell page. Loving it. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
The new generation CVT's have improved out of sight compared to the earlier versions - but they are still mushy unimpressive things in regard to driving 'feel'. I just hate how they can feel lurchy in stop start traffic or surgey going over undulating terrain especially in cruise control - seems like the cruise control takes an age to slow down after going over one crest, then ages to power back up then tries to Apollo 18 you over the next crest to completely die and not power up at all up the next hill...
Yeah it will mainly be for parking up off the side of the road, I had an xtrail which was ok in the forest but the wife swiped that after we gave her car to the boy. I've been looking around and 4x4's are horrendously overpriced for the mileage and condition on offer and am liking the idea of an outback. Good ground clearance and the H6's have plenty of pokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Russian 22.
Have you looked at something like the outlander 4wd? Just a query as the outlander is similar size and weight to the outback, maybe slightly less clearance but not much in it. A fair bit easier on the wallet I'd say though...
Yeah I did but preferred the Xtrail to the mitsi outlander, the back load space is pretty small in an outlander. Main worry is the wife borrowing what I get next and giving the Xtrail back. Maybe I should just bite the bullet and get something tank likeQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Ironman have just released a suspension lift kit (shocks and springs) for the Outback which looks very interesting.
In saying that, my brother's CVT lasted all of 60,000 ks...and quit.
Last week I drove a Nissan loan car (2023, 11,99k CVT)...it felt like driving a manual box with a slipping clutch!
I believe I am correct in saying that we have yet to see a current model double cab ute with a CVT, which probably says a lot!
Yeah, some of those Nissan CVT's feel quite special.
I think the CVT in utes will come, the current generation of CVT is a vast improvement over the first ones in both feel and reliability - and if you think about where we've got to on auto boxes about 10 years ago most people swore black to blue that they'd never have a ute that wasn't manual...
nissan cvt the belt "pushes" the pulley not "pulls" it. this can cause the belt to flex, then it starts delaminating itself.
it cost nissan millions in recalls and warranty claims.
now they tell you cvt is to maximise the economy by making sure the rpm is maximum efficiency, end of the day its just cheaper to make a belt drive than helical cut gears.
also torque is the killer of belts so diesel motors and high weight towing is a killer.
i currently run a 3.0 legacy with 5 speed auto, if i could buy this car in manual i wouldnt hesitate to buy it.
Yeah, apparently auto boxes are cheaper to make than manuals as well - based on a per numbers thing when you are only fitting one type of transmission not two or three. I saw some figures that the entire fleet of cars in NZ has less than 18% manuals now, and in three years time it's expected to be almost single figures. Having said that, the same writer put forward the opinion that EV's with manual transmissions are 'few and far between'. I don't know of one that exists - the driveline does not suit a clutch as the instant torque of electric eats the lining straight off!
EV's are horrid, tesla doubly soQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Tesla yeah, fairly ordinary all round. EV's do have a place though, e.g. underground where exhaust fumes suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
i have a toy rav 4, had it up to monument, mt studholme, takapari rd, not a serious 4x4 but with care and intelligence it goes to where i need to go.