Did these people pay for their rescue?
I heard something about them paying for rescue costs on the radio but didnt catch all of it due to grinders/hammers etc
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Did these people pay for their rescue?
I heard something about them paying for rescue costs on the radio but didnt catch all of it due to grinders/hammers etc
Last I heard the cops said they were not going to send them the billQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
While that is good I thought/hoped they had offered to pay the bill? Which would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
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I (sort of) agree.
If however, the party were aware of the forcast etc etc, then I think their arrogance in going ahead makes them liable
A possible side issue is that these 4WD enthusiasts are quite likely to be the same who in different circumstances, would be called by Police to assist in another S&R operation.
Having said that, we should all learn that there are consequences for wrong, or ill-thought decisions.
That their own vehicles will be wintered up there is a personal consequence obviously....... But the fact remains that someone's S&R budget will have been dented. Frankly I'd be confident that any Police decision re allocation of costs was based on all the facts; not conjecture and opinion which so often fill our media, and forums like this.
Police step in to stop 4WD recovery | Otago Daily Times Online News : Otago, South Island, New Zealand & International News
Hope they dont try it. Dont think they learnt their lesson :wtfsmilie:
Bout says it all really.Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjack
Some people just won't learn.
If they try and hit problems they should get a bill for the 'hundreds of thousands' for the first rescue plus a second one if it happens!Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjack
I do wonder if they did had enough brains to have left their vehicles in a state to minimise the chance of cracked radiators and even engine blocks.
"Frankly I'd be confident that any Police decision re allocation of costs was based on all the facts; not conjecture and opinion which so often fill our media"
This.
I read that article, and from a safety point of view, the police stopping it is sensible, but many of the comments quoted, are wrong, or coming from people, who simply put, have no idea how to re open up a road/track or access, After a blizzard.
Having spent 17 winters in the Artic, including building ice roads, the safest and very best way, to open up a road is a correctly sized, and equipped, bulldozer.
This includes ice corks, full heated cab, and a means to self recover, or a second machine for that purpose,
A warm winter spell, might happen, but a dozen vehicles, under such conditions will chew it up, worse that a frozen road, opened by tracked equipment.
Wheel tractors, are among the worst equipment to try with, and will likely end in more problems, I hope they aren't foolish enough to try. :omg:
The council wining about road damage is a joke, the spring thaw will do more damage, than will be done getting it open, for a recovery now, and they likely only maintain it, once in a blue moon, with a single swipe in each direction from a grader.
What needs to happen, is a week of fine weather,
Police to give the go, for a correctly equipment, piece of equipment, to open the road, wait overnight, or longer. once road is opened, ( this allows frost, to set into the ground, and prevents unnecessary road damage,) a small crew, to go and get as many vehicle's as possible out. There will be a vehicle or two, that wont run, most likely a land rover :wtfsmilie: you take a smaller recover crew in the next day, attempt to fix or tow out using tracked equipment.
The whole mess, could have been avoided, if a weather forecast, was checked before heading out, wasn't great at all.
I hope those idiots, will work with the police, to set up a recovery, and vise versa, going it alone, could prove very costly, should it go south a second time.
@southerman speaks that rare and endearing mode -Common bloody sense.
There was also a letter published in Southland Times from a guy who'd claimed to have reported regional weather to met service for many years. He was very clear that the weather was NOT forecasted to the severity encountered.
I know we've been similarly caught out on the orchard in the past, where no weather service predicted our situation (and we monitor five services plus our own on farm system
The guys got caught out by a freak storm - and a media frenzy.
The severity of the weather may not have been totally correct.
But you have got to be nuts trying to take a vehicle above 1200m in may. Even if we have had a warm autumn.
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I certainly wouldn't have gone up there with the forecast I saw anyway!
Snow down to 300m tomorrow just saying
Anyone see if there's a 70 series in the group? I could use some free parts
You gonna walk up there and carry some parts down?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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Hope they had good antifreeze.
Bet they didnt have any in the windscreen water though
How cold until diesel freezes.....
-8 to -15 or lower depending on the mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nibblet
Now that could get expensive!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nibblet
Diesel doesn't expand when it freezes though, water is one of the few substances that expand when it freezes.
I thought "Winter" diesel is lower than -15. I know we get "winter" diesel delivered from mid March through till September.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
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I think that winter diesel is somewhere down around -18 or -20?
Might not expand but doesn't it make a shit mess of the filters?
I'm sure it would make things difficult tough, unfreezing it to start with! Have had waterv freeze in windscreen resouvior before, though up there I imagine all the lines will crack and need replacingQuote:
Originally Posted by stug
Diesel won't really freeze but it gets a waxy solution in it at really low temps that blocks the filters when the motor is runningQuote:
Originally Posted by 223nut
Used to fix by adding some petrol or kero to the fuel tank that stoped the wax from forming
Teamwork retrieved snowbound 4WDs | Stuff.co.nz
I see there were a couple of 70 series up there, I should have gone and pinched an injector pump
would be interesting to see what was and wasn't still running after 2 weeks buried up there, seems like some were a bit frozen
Seems they got them all going but one
Not bad effort I would have thought.
Wonder how long the engine with all the steam pissing out will last though if it's being towed and towing another vehicle.
i wonder how many vehicles were buggered.
Impressive burial photo from the helicopter I thought! They moved some snow putting that track in as well.
Diesel may not have frozen but the radiator and coolant systems may be fucked.
Can not have been too bad if they all made it out.
This is what they need at the 30sec mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yja2VmZOfdA
I know fuck all about trains but that bastard seemed to go on forever!!!!
Did the come down on the Waikaia side or Roxburgh side?
Rescue attempts and recovery were from the Roxburgh side.
I for one was surprised they managed to get back in and retrieved the trucks. Even more surprised the trucks all started and ran fine apart from one. Goes to show what modern vehicles can handle if they're maintained properly I suppose.
Still think they're idiots for attempting the road in those conditions,with that forecast though. I flew over the hill and was in that country on the Thursday/Friday and there was enough snow on the ground then to make the trip very challenging. However they still seem to think they made a good choice and it was unplanned breakdowns that delayed them, and the weather simply caught up with them.
I think if you push your luck when the odds aren't necessarily on your side, get caught out and need rescued that maybe you made the wrong decision in the first place....somehow I think it won't be the last silly decision they make either.
I was talking to someone involved with the rescue, $12,000 per hour for the NH90 for 12 hours... All up cost in the high hundreds of thousands.
I think it goes to show that modern technology, be it machinery (4wds) or digital (epirbs and cell phones) have probably saved more people than most care to admit. But it probably got a lot of people into trouble these days because of reliance on it too rather than common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshC