So what's the opinion on them? In particular the FC620 HT
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So what's the opinion on them? In particular the FC620 HT
I will be watching this thread with enthusiasim😆
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I have a fc430 as a Bach boat. For coastal missions they are fantastic. Economical and outstandingly stable.
I would certainly recommend one. As for the big boats? No idea, they seem like good value.
Worth calling hmd direct for a quote on the same sized plate boat.
Are you looking for the southern based boat...... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
I'll tell you what, you buy one and tell me how it handles the Grey bar with a " bit " of chop, an south set, and if it does that average or better I'll buy one for the north based boat (as from what I've seen, the NI bars are sort of flat/easy/maybe one hand hold on sort of events..... :) )
They look a sharp boat though. But not 100% convinced yet......
I know a few people with the little 430's and a 5.5 which are superb but havent heard anything about the bigger hard tops yet.
They are great boats. Very stable at rest and have a good ballast system. Quality also seems to be there. We looked at the surtees 5.5 workmate and the fc595, both great boats and we liked the FC, but loved the Surtees. Good thing about the surtees is that their resale value is one of the best in the market. Everyone wants them and there's a reason for that, believe me. I would recommend checking out the surtees barcrusher 6.1 if a 6m+ is what you're looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
Hope this helped :)
I have a good boat. Mclay. Just don't use it as much as I should. It has only done 50hrs from new in 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
More interested too see if I can come up and ruin your snapper fishing😆
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Thats appalling!.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Which bit?😆Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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The bit in bold! I recon I would have put more than 50 hours on mine in 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Never seen a FC in real life.
Yeah it is pretty sad. The weather here is a killer for going saltwater fishing and getting up there is almost a yearly event. I will use it more once I stop working overseas.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Weather has been awesome my last 2 breaks but it has been pretty miserable for the last year.
It's there when I need it tho😆
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Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJanitar
I was quite impressed with the quality and standard features of the fc boats. Just can't find many reviews etc
I like the idea of the split front back ballast system.
The Surtees for some reason I just don't really like. Good / great reviews, but seem a bit agricultural.
My cousin brought a 595? Mclay at xmas. Bloody nice looking boat. He knows a thing or 2 about boats/ ships, and he rates it for what they wanted. They are in the list to look at aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Looking for something around the 6m mark, and hardtop.
As for ruining the fishing... you are more than welcome to try :) might try and fit a clay thrower to the roof for when the fishing is off ;)
I will be up with bells on. Took some guys out for a hunt recently from the far north that have offered to take us out for a marlin and some snaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
Once you buy the boat I will fly back from work via Auckland and curse your snapper fishing. I am a deterrent to the fuckers😆
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As long as I can wash the deterrent away once your gone, your on :)Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Pretty sure it is just me. My son seems to have no trouble catching snaps when I am in the boat.😆Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
I hadn't caught a salmon for a couple years but got rid of that curse this year.
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From memory these hulls are made by Kingfisher Boats under contract. Kingfisher (AKA Alloy Cats NZ @ The Mount) build quality stuff.
Make sure u get on all of em and check them out properly is all I can say! Take them out for test rides too. If money isn't an issue, take a look at the extreme game king 610, good ballast system (not as good as surtees). Sides are also wider on the surtees, (awesome feature!). Game King has an awesome ride, is very stable, and is absolutely beautiful. if I had a barcrusher 6.1 and a game king 610 side by side and I could choose one for free, id pick the game king. However in real life it just doesnt have the same value as something like a second hand surtees or FC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
Cheers
Thanks all. Some interesting points.
The next question is - what motor?
Yammy 4 stroke. I have a merc 4 stroke and it goes well so far. No issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
But always liked Yamaha.
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Yammie, Merc, etec, Honda etc.. they're all solid motors. Had an etec 50hp 2007 two stroke on our old Ramco. Awesome motor, started up first time EVERY time. Like u would leave it for 6 months in winter and not start it once, then first trip out in summer it starts up first turn of the key.. Power was there too. Very quiet as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
We now have a 90hp two stroke Yamaha 2010 and it always takes a couple of turns to get it started form cold and much louder but very reliable motor nonetheless.
Never have had any troubles with these motors in 8+ years of fishing. Get an etec if you can, they are just awesome from my experience. Any other well known reliable brand will do just fine too, main question you should be asking is what HP :D
I've got one of the early Honda 4 strokes (1996) and it hasn't missed a beat. Fantastic efficiency and power, not as quiet as the newer models but I'm bloody happy with it. When it eventually does go I'll look at a Suzuki DF140 because they have the best power to weight ratio as far as I can gather and they've got a good rep amongst the service techs I've spoken to.
I have a 2 stroke 50hp merc, brought brand new and always starts to. Only have had one issue, after leaving it storage for 4 years (yes I know...) in that the starter motor brushes seized, ie the gunk around them prevented the spring from pushing them onto the armature, easy fix - end off and brakeclean....
Heaps of power, quiet, etc....
As for horse power, LOTS -what ever weight rating of boat for Max HP. Just because it's there you don't have to use it, but when needed it's great to have a bit :)
I have a DF140, I think its pretty good on gas and feels very torquey starts easy even when freezing cold.
Also, +1 for fitting the max power your boat is rated for if it fits your budget.
On the subject of motor I think it is prudent to pick a horsepower and then look at the spec of that motor and the ones above and below in rating in each brand you may consider.
Weight,cc,connectivity,price,things included do vary a lot between brands and horsepower ratings.
Often the same outboard will be produced in 2 or 3 horsepower ratings in the same size weight cc, if looking to well power your boat I would be looking for the max horsepower in a range/block/cc size as it will generally be under-stressed being well powered anyway.
I don't think you have been over the Patea bar then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
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You're correct I haven't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 25/08IMP
But I have been over the Grey a few times in various boats/ships and also my grandad remains there to (never found him). I may/do appreciate the sea a fare bit.
My post was a bit of piss take to the hoki man, the north island certainly has some nasty barstard bars, that I'm not personally familiar with - yet.
All good
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I aiming for the beginning of summer for the new boat, and when I get it you can show me the Patea, and we will go fishing :) and hopefully you not a fish dis tractant like r93 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 25/08IMP
Nothing like local knowledge. And no piss take in that. Or the fishing :)
Yea sure can have a look at the Senator 620 HT awesome boat I've had that and a 560 both great boats.
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There is a local one here 560 580? under 6m with a new 200hp fourstroke yam on it.....Id say it is probably well powered!:thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by 25/08IMP
Correctly powered maybe? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Dont quote me but I think the transom was upgraded before fitting(only talked to the young fella in the yard)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
In seriousness, what are the disadvantages (weight equal) in having more HP off the back ? If run at half stick all the time, does it degrade the motor over time, or do they use more fuel? Disregard purchase price.
I would say over powered my 620 HT had a 150 E Tec on it and that had heaps of power for 4 divers and and all the gear and crossing west cost bars.
The 580HT is quite a bit smaller I had a 115 Yamaha 4 stroke on my 560 and although it didn't have the instint get up like the E Tec I still had plenty of power.
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If the same weight then probably the same cc/same engine so no disadvantage other than price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
In the case of the boat above I imagine it will use more fuel than say a 130 driven at its most economical speed but the bigger engine should cruise faster more economically than the smaller engine at the same faster cruise.
Under powered has many disadvantages tho, slow,dangerous in some conditions,excessive fuel use,over stressing the engine causing short life/possible catastrophic failure.
I think in the 6 years I had my 620 I only ever got to run at full throttle once at sea the rest of the time on our cost was no more than half so still plenty of power left if needed.
Pontoon boats do need more power to push them but a 150 on a 620 Ali is plenty.
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Yeh the 560 Senator with the 115 gets out of the water well.
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With the secondhand boat market/trademe kicking through some exceptional boats it would be pretty hard to justify going new.
Second hand whitepointer or AMF's can be had for the new price of a surtees. I'd be going second hand.