Be interested to hear from anyone who has one of these and your thought on them ?
What are they like for towing small boats and light horse floats and the odd heavy load ?
Appreciate any feedback
Cheers
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Be interested to hear from anyone who has one of these and your thought on them ?
What are they like for towing small boats and light horse floats and the odd heavy load ?
Appreciate any feedback
Cheers
Feedback from staff in PX3 2.0 biturbo found them a bit gutless towing. This was towing 2.5T scissorlift though.
Around town etc carrying maybe 0.5T tools all good.
Not sure of the new PX4 as I got the 3.0 V6.
How do you find the V6Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
mine is epic, pulls hard with or with out a load. use mine for towing stockcar and flatmates showcar around.Quote:
Originally Posted by outdoorlad
Can't beat Cubes, 2lt be fine n dandy in a sports hatch but not a big arsed 4wd
2L goes OK towing but drinks - you gotta be a bit ruthless with the right boot to get it to go OK with a load on but they will pull. Where I don't like them is if you have a heavy trailer - my driving feeling is virtually no engine braking assist and you gotta be rather conservative in the hilly stuff. The upsey-downsey rule is in force and if you don't follow it you can get a bit of a fright if you have to drag the thing to a complete stop or control the speed on a long roll downhill.
The other thing I found with them is with a long heavy trailer and connecting up at anything other than straight, they suck at getting it moving especially if you are trying to back up a rise around a corner from dead stop. The engine and gearbox just don't allow the revs to get up and the little sewing machine struggles for grunt at low RPM. But, to be fair - I have found the same issue with auto boxes behind anything in the same scenario as you don't have the third peddle to punish to make it easier for the turning bits up front to get everything moving.
have a look on YT, There is an Aussie comparison video between a 3ltr and the 2ltr Bi, They towed a 2.5 - 3 ton caravan around a 110 km circuit, The 2ltr bet the 3ltr in just about all the tests that they done around the circuit, ie, fuel economy, crossing a bridge at the bottom of a big hill doing 30km? then pedal to the floor and comparing speed at top of hill, as well as other tests(watched about 5 months ago, so can't remember what else)
At the end the test driver did say that if he had to choose one for his own personal use, then he would still go for the 3ltr as they are a more proven motor, as the 2ltr were still too new and needed another 4-5 years under their belt to get their reliability badge as a towing vehicle.
I saw that a while back, I agreed with most of it but have no idea how the 2L bet the 3.2 T6 version on fuel consumption that doesn't tally with my experience locally with a heavy trailer on. Empty, yes the 2L seems to burn less than the bigger engine but with a trailer on I found the opposite. I note the braking test they did on the review vid was fairly vanilla as well, not really relevant to some of NZ's roads where we have Km's of downhill running and much heavier brake applications.
Here is the video
https://youtu.be/9KVNaci9CEs?si=eUBSAY1c8NlvOM6B
The one i seen was 2 utes.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
Very good. More than enough power and torque.Quote:
Originally Posted by outdoorlad
Towed my 1.5T caravan all around the South Island with my PX2 manual 3.2L ranger for 3 months seriously would not have wanted to do it with a sewing machine even with two hairdryers attached to it.
Just my personal opinion though. I mean saw plenty of people towing with the Pimp model ranger (Wildtrax)
Use one at work, currently at around 130,000, has had 3.5T on the back everyday, all around the NI
Maybe 10,000 without the trailer or loaded balls to the wall.
Perfectly adequate for the job, although can be gutless under certain conditions.
It is always serviced by ford and receives the full Monty each time, on time.
Most people slagging them, you’ll soon find have never actually owned or used one for an extended period of time.
To be clear, I hate it, and prefer my 2011 PK ranger, but that is no fault of the driveline, I just don’t like all the tech and driver assist features. But it is a good, reliable ute that has done above and beyond what was expected of it.
If you were to get one as a personal use/non towing operation, I’d say it will do most people just fine.
having driven a whole range of 4x4 for work over 35 years and some rough off road a 2 litre even bi turbo dragging around a ute that big just does not add up at all to me - 4 litre straight six non turbo diesel yes sir have I driven one no and likely wontQuote:
Originally Posted by Philipo
@BRADS, go onto the Facebook Ford Ranger owners. Read it and weep. I have stop reading it as it’s very depressing, my 3.2 just flicked 271k, I’ve had a great run. I guess on numbers sold in NZ compared with any other Ute, it just looks worse.
If I was buying new again, I’d buy another 3.2 Ranger auto.
If you get a turbo’d 2litre, make sure it has COSWORTH on the head
Maybe a 3.2l would be better suited for this application for towing long term. Not to say the 2.0l wouldn't be fine but I would be interested to see the longevity comparison of a relatively small engine with every ounce of power being squeezed out of it particularly when towing heavy loads.
Yeah, as far as I can tell it's the same - no worse or better than any other ute but they keep a lot of outfits in work just with the shear number of Rangers on the road. A lot of it I think is down to servicing - if a lot more outfits ran OBDII datalogging I'm sure a lot of the issues could be picked up before failure. I know with mine we have found a lot of stuff that wouldn't have been picked up at service time but could have taken something critical out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Hilux
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Yeah, but in reality they are no better. Different 'usual things' that keep cropping up, not a lot of coin in it when it comes to the expensive mechanical repairs and things like injector cost. Not as comfortable to drive, definitely no where near as much room in cab as the Ranger (very unimpressed with the mate's new hybrid hilux) and to top it off not quite in the same league as a tow vehicle. Appears a lot more thirsty too which is just another cost at the end of the day. On the plus side the hilux appears to have much more capable suspension fitted from the factory, this is one thing that Ford has not got right with the Ranger. Fine when the vehicle is brand new and unloaded, but take it to max axle weight and then expect it to handle nicely and not thump the bump stops and prepare to be sorely disappointed. Kudos to Toyota for this detail to be fair.
One of the most common engines our reconditioner sees, apparentley they do quite good grenade impersonations
A friend who works for a joinery factory does their deliveries. Towing a trailer around the north island. They sold their old 3.2 and replaced it with a bi turbo. Within 6 months both turbos had blown oil seals and needed replacement. Admittedly it's driven towing close to maximum load most of the time. Terry did say it went up the brenderwyns like they weren't there.
Haha, when I looked at a new range, FX4? The guy gave me a Hilux for a couple of days, the things I remember, fuel consumption, horrible ride and a POWER button wtf!, was years behind the FX4. They may have caught up now.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
No, you're about right - the new hilux does appear to simply be a tart up of the earlier chassis with a big battery added in and some safety and anti-collision 'driver frustration' devices bolted on. That being said, it still does what it says on the label which is a fairly no-frills work truck. It is a fair bit behind other options in the Toyota stable in terms of driving experience, but the Hilux always was in my experience of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
As far as the 2L engine grenading, it's pretty much across the board for the heavily forced induction small engines not something that is exclusive to the Ranger. Nissan gets a big tick for internal bits ending up outside, and turbo's are pretty much on a rotating service time schedule as far as I can tell. A mate went through 5 on his Nissan before it got driven into and he negotiated to take the write off payout...
There was a similar thread a few moons ago when some one said... you can't beat displacement.
My 2.8 prado tows better and is faster on the road than my ranger 2L bi.
That you cannot. As far as towing, the more power you can get at low RPM (before the hair dryer can do anything) the better off you are. Otherwise, you're running to the limit of the design and materials spec'd internally and also the clearances for oils. In the old days, it was pretty standard to run basically 25thou clearances and the oils were spec'd to match. Now the clearances are much closer and the the oils much skinnier and relying on the tech and the additives to keep the metal bits apart. And stretching the service intervals right out which is OK in normal service, but as soon as you start towing 100% of the time you're in severe duty and not one of the sealers advises you to close your service times up in this case!
10speed or 6 speed man?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billbob
Well from what I'm seeing on the world wide web, the smaller Ford eco boost engines are quite a poor design especially when used in the bigger trucks.
They will not last and are hidesously expensive to fix when the do fail
I think one of the small engine designs relies on a 'wet belt' or a timing belt running through the crank case oil pan. Not something that appeals to me as a startlingly blindingly great idea coming from a place of brilliance...
Yep some transhits have themQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
4 litre 6 cylinder non turbo now what does that say toyota get a good one service it and reliable its just finding a low K one
Same with the old faithful TD42 Nissans. Keep em serviced and treat them right and they just don't stop - it is getting harder to find them though same as the Toyota's. The modern gear is built lighter and blown to within 6 thou of it's limits just to save emissions - the irony being when you load them up they return worse fuel economy than the newer gear. I still struggle to understand how in some cases burning 50% more fuel with the more modern gear to save the environment actually ends up reducing emissions, especially CO2 out of the tailpipe which can't be converted like the nitrous oxides or carbon particles.
An expert with no real world experiance said so?
No, a wee bit of experience with them in marine and stationary roles in one case logging over 15,000 hours. I'd hate to think how many Km equivalent that would work out to. Probably close to a million I'd expect.Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
Surely more fuel in= more emissions out
Cheers for the feedback team.
Pushed play on one today will have one of all models so can give some real word feedback
Will only be towing maybe once a month.
The hilux trade in money is crazy we brought for 44k in 2019 and got offered 37k today
5 year warranty should make any problems not mine
That's probably one of the big pluses with a Hilux, they hold their value well.
On reading this thread I’ll stick with my old shitter - carburetor, pushrod V8, three speed manual:yaeh am not durnk:
Not much good off-road but great for towing.
And you can probably fix it on the side of the road if it shits its selfQuote:
Originally Posted by Finnwolf
It probably won't poo itself though, unless something rubber dies in the carby or fuel pump!!!