I believe and I could be wrong that actually they have asked people just not to charge them at peak times rather than not charge them at all. Big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin358
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I believe and I could be wrong that actually they have asked people just not to charge them at peak times rather than not charge them at all. Big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin358
How does the free charging work?
Is it payed for by the council and hence ratepayers or central government or who?
Batteries from these things will be the next environmental nightmare....they are essentially disposable vehicles with the cost of replacement.
Don't get me wrong, they are cool TEC and I would have one if I had the money to throw away on one but I don't see them solving any problem other than smog in city's....and they just move the pollution somewhere else but it will improve the air quality in big city's.
Not really required here I think.
In response to who asks what the LDV drives like, compared to the old hilux, well the LDV drives well, has plenty of power, has 3 driving modes, power, normal and economy, has a goood sound system, is heavy, I believe around 2.3 tonnes but I will actually weigh it at work tomorrow. Mostly I will charge at work as I work for a recycling and waste company, we generate power from the waste so it has a little feel good factor.
Today I am going to hook my boat on the back and go for a trial run and see how that goes, my boat weighs 970 kms, so it will be an interesting test.
If the motor hangs down around diff height how will launching the boat work out? Surely its in a waterproof housing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter595
I can just hear my missus bitching now about the coal making her clothes dirty as she stokes the boiler on my Coal Activated Personal Recreational Innovation (CAPRI).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
Yes, I see the realists in the good 'ol US of A are going around with a stencil spray painting the Tesla charger units with "powered by coal".:ORLY:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
More American trucks on the road down here than I’ve ever seen before too [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohawk .308
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You guys in Australia have charging stations for EV's powered by diesel generators to get them across the desert.. ! HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by CBH Australia
I think that's where the Aussies coined the term " Shit for brains" from:wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Billbob
Here's a picture of all the dangly down bits under a T60.
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Can see why it doesn't come with a low box or 4WD option. all that stuff looks mighty inviting to rocks and mud and water:o
Oh, and the unsprung mass has just shot through the roof. Will be interesting to see how long those shocks last...
Is that flat piece the batteries? Low centre of gravity, would outcorner a mini:D
That looks bloody vulnerable.
Friend has a Tesla ,drove to Blenheim from Christchurch with range to spare in July with heater on etcTried with a trailer last week, range decreased by about 42%... Be awareQuote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
surprised it didnt break down, they are awfully badly made with huge reliability issuesQuote:
Originally Posted by DemocKot
Free charging is average, slow etc. I charge at home for "free" between 9pm and 12am with contact energy, at home my charger does 50km/hr. A normal wall charger is like 10km/hr.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Been to nelson twice down south a few times, right down to invercargil couple weeks ago. The tesla super chargers are bloody good, get me about 400km in 20mins charging. Otherwise plenty of others in the 250km in 20min category all over the place. Cost is insignificant for the few ling trips we do.
New battery doesn't cost that much by the way.... and it's warrantied for 8 years so not too bad. I guess time will tell...
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Originally Posted by Happy Jack
I think that's what I heard but I'm tipping that as electric vehicles become more common the power lines in the streets won't have the capacity.
Now we need to increase the copper wire run through town.
Copper is carbon neutral :D not to mention what’s its encased in!Quote:
Originally Posted by CBH Australia
its not just the mining of lithium its the water pollution during processing.
I heard the newest batteries have no lithium, but can't remember where I heard it or if they are available yet
They have been promising this for ever and telling us about the future of batteries, just haven't really come up with the goods yet. From what I've heard what ever you need for a battery wether it has lithium or not needs to be mined ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
done 370000km in 13 months not a problem of any sort , no rattles etc anyway faultless they come to his house for service rotate tyres etc .to be honest I am impressed .any software updates done over wifi.maybe he is lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
That’s 937km per day average, every day for 395 days?Quote:
Originally Posted by DemocKot
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Extra 0 slipped in I’d say!
Yeah I went to the launch in Dunedin. Complete waste of time. The towing range would t even get you to town and back towing down here. Not withstanding there are no charging stations :wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter595
Il keep my patrol until it takes me to the grave,hopefully il have many years to go yet.
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Month or so ago I read some vehicle survey results from a UK motoring body - a reasonable scale survey. Unfortunately can't google/find data now but... Regarding reliability of vehicle types, survey found hybrids were most reliable in 2021-22 - a technology reasonably well worked out now. Survey also found full electric vehicles to be least reliable - and this matches US JD Powers results from recent years which has put eg Tesla right at the bottom for reliability (can't remember test timeframe). Still some learning to do there.
Read another relevant article at same time from Stuff in NZ, and it talked about problems electric SUV/RV/4wd owners are having with water. Alot of owners complaining they cannot cross streams etc with the electric 4x4s, where previously their petrol/diesel options had no issue. One owner in story spoke of buying a second hand electric 4wd SUV and attempting to cross a stream. Not deep - half wheel depth or so - but his electric SUV stopped dead in midstream. Had it towed out, taken for repair, and was given a repair quote of $42,000 for his 2nd hand $37k purchase price vehicle. Whole motor and circuit was gone. And there was no guarantee it would be 100% fixed. Many other owners popping up reporting river/stream crossing problems.
Looking at the electric 4wd under-truck photo above, there will have to be significant technology/structural changes before it can be considered an offroad suitable vehicle. You would not take it near any southern offroad conditions - uneven ground, rivers, rocks etc. Too exposed, too vulnerable. 4WD appearance only. More development needed - and it will come. For our hunting/4wding conditions you need vehicles like Trout's old Patrol - the most electronic thing about them is the cigarette lighter, but they will not leave you parked after a few river splashes. Sturdy old 90s diesels very popular with 4wd club guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QerZEed4-wEQuote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
I don't believe the T60 comes in a 4wd version yet. But even in its standard 2wd form it would be dicey to take it places a 2wd hilux might happily wander along taking the family to a riverside picnic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudgripz
I reckon hybrid technology will be the way forward for 4x4 utes, given what we still require them to be able to do in terms of off road use and towing capacity.
Fully electric power for what we require just wont be practical but the hybrid technology should enable a compromise...hopefully.
The whole government tax on Diesel 4x4s to subsidize wealthy Tesla owners gets up my nose.
That picture of the undercarriage has me convinced that machine is not designed to leave tarmac. I'd consider a 4wd hybrid if it ticked many other boxes but it's going to take a massive jump in specific design before I would look at a 100% EV
..And when she's ready for a rebuild at 7-800 K, that TD42T motor can be fully rebuilt for the price of a 2022 Hilux set of injectors and pump:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Trout
After owning it 18yrs,it still doesnt burn oil.The new Patrol,Y63 Hybrid has its own petrol motor, generator to charge its batterys.Petrol motor not used for driving patrol.And has front n rear electric motors for 4x4 driving.
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I just couldnt afford the 150k to buy it.lols 150k a lot of diesel ah.
I'll be driving my current vehicle, until it dies, pretty much what I do anyway, never kept up with the Jone’s. I can see this attitude, uncertainty transferring to people not buying new vehicles, which will cause major headache for the motor industry, the beginning of the end of the consumer driven economies, wow wrap your head around that.
I thought I would do a trial run towing my boat, I hooked the boat on, which weighs 970 kg, I did a 40 km test drive, relatively flat terrain, and although the Ute pulled it ok, i definitely wouldn’t try launching the boat and risk getting salt water into the underbody. Based on my very rudimentary trial I would think realistic range towing that weight is probably 140 to 170 kms, but of course so many factors can change that.
There is no doubt that this Ute won’t do what people like us expect from a Ute, but as an on tarmac Ute, it goes well, is nice to drive and would suit a lot of people, but it’s early days, I have only done a little over 600kms in the vehicle.
Jeeze, that's a face only a mother could love!Quote:
Originally Posted by Trout
Have no trouble beating that face up on the rocky approachs ah.
Nice man, Im intrested in seing how it goes for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter595
I have the new ranger and on scales at the rubbish dump was 2360kg im sure its now pushing 2400 as i have some k02 tires on it now
what electric 4wd under truck photo are you taliking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by mudgripz
Go to page 4, post 52. XR500's photo of undercarriage of the T60 LDV electric.
Might be a misunderstanding there mate - they are only available in 2WD. XR500's comment: "Can see why it doesn't come with a low box or 4WD option."Quote:
Originally Posted by mudgripz
