Thread: Goodyear vs maxxis

Maxxis Razor on my Prado, 40,000km so far and still going strong

Hankook dynapro AT/M on the hilux. 2 of them from when I brought it. Done 70,000k

I've got Maxxis Razrs on my ford ranger field service ute. They grip on road great, but at 23 thousand km they look like they're not going to see 40 thousand.

Quite a soft tyre, better suited off-road than on and for lighter vehicles. I'm 3.1T of tools and gear all day every day and then I put a load in the back or pull a 2.5T service trailer, so I know I'm hard on tyres. I'd probably recommend the Goodyear instead though

got the Maxxis Razrs MT on my ute , done 84,000 km and at last WOF (2 weeks ago) had 6mm of tread left on them.

Goodyear was supplied on my Ranger from new and were disappointing. Terrible understeer in the wet. Got 44K out of them. Had another guy tell me they're called Goodyear cause they're "good for a year". Have gone to Falken Wildpeak. They look good but I've lucky to have done 200km on them. Was recommended by my tyre guy. Had Maxxis on the previous vehicle which I traded out of before I put many K's in it. The Falkens have more ply than the Maxxis so were advised as being longer lasting and quieter. So far the quite bit is true. Tell you in a year if they go well. Falken was much better price than Maxxis.

The BFG K02s which have been std on Rangers are known to be absolutely treacherous in the wet. I can't remember the Aussie website that has detailed user reviews but many said they were completely unsafe and they wouldn't let their partners drive them in rain. Some real horror stories.

When I got my current Raptor, I swapped to Razrs AT811-01s the second day I had it. Despite my less-than-economy driving, they seem to holding up well.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Goodyear was supplied on my Ranger from new and were disappointing. Terrible understeer in the wet. Got 44K out of them. Had another guy tell me they're called Goodyear cause they're "good for a year". Have gone to Falken Wildpeak. They look good but I've lucky to have done 200km on them. Was recommended by my tyre guy. Had Maxxis on the previous vehicle which I traded out of before I put many K's in it. The Falkens have more ply than the Maxxis so were advised as being longer lasting and quieter. So far the quite bit is true. Tell you in a year if they go well. Falken was much better price than Maxxis.

The wildpeaks have not disappointed me at all. Excellent road manners and have been really grippy in the steep climbs I have to do for work. Great on the slippery steep Canterbury mountain tracks and seem pretty tough.
The other utes kept blowing out tyres on the sharp mountain tracks but I haven't had a single puncture with the falkens.

Originally Posted by HUNTY

got the Maxxis Razrs MT on my ute , done 84,000 km and at last WOF (2 weeks ago) had 6mm of tread left on them.

This post sums up the fundamental problem with “which tyres” threads.

Typical tread depth of mud terrain tyres when new is around 13 to 14 mm. So if you have 6mm left then you have somehow managed to only use roughly half to 2/3 of the tread life in 84,000km, assuming a minimum tread depth (WOF fail) of 1.5mm. With most guys struggling to get 40,000 km out of a set of MTs when used mostly on bitumen, the question is what on earth have you done differently?

True comment that. Suggest light loads, not much towing, conservative driving style, flat driving and not using heavy brake application all play a part.

People hate on the old ranger factory supplied 17" tyre the Dunlop AT22. Suits me, get 80,000Km off a set taking them to warrant fail level and can pick them up near new (say 5000kms) for under $300 a set sometimes still on factory rims. They work well for what I do, really efficient on fuel, quiet, good in the wet etc etc.

My take on 4WD tyres, having done a lot of overlanding, commercial work (mining) and general day-to-day ute driving.

Tyre life has far too many variables to make one brand / spec stand out head and shoulders above the rest. They’re all pretty much of a muchness within the price tiers, premium, medium, cheap. Vehicle weight (constant vs variable load, load distribution), tyre & rim size, towing mileage, towing weight, tyre pressure, suspension geometry, rotation, driving style & right foot habits, ratio of road surfaces driven (bitumen vs unsealed, nature of each surface), degree of bendiness of regularly driven roads, etc etc… It’s all far too complex to say that one brand is that much better than the other.

@HUNTY has posted a very high mileage for MTs with significant amount of tread still available, which pretty much sums this up. That’s exceptional and I’d love to know how he’s done it.

If you read tyre reviews on the various websites around the world you can see how variable the reviews are from person to person. For any particular brand / model of tyre, you’ll get every star rating possible and the comments will vary from “great” to “absolute rubbish”.

Over the last 10 years the power output of the typical utility vehicle has increased substantially, Nm of torque in particular. A lot of drivers have not adjusted their driving style to accommodate the effect of this output increase on the tyres. Consequently they are complaining of poor traction in the wet and poor rear tyre life. When in reality trying to put 500Nm of torque down on a crappy NZ bitumen road in the wet is a big ask for any mud terrain tread pattern.

I got about 2x the usable life out of BFG KO2s vs the Maxxis Razr MTs on my vehicle + driving situation. I'll be going back to the KO2s once I work up the enthusiasm to pay for them. The Razrs increased my fuel usage by 10-15% and are substantially noisier, I also found them a little sketchy in the wet. (braking not acceleration, I have 90hp)

Ive been through a few.

Toyo Outlanders have been the best and hard to fault as an AT. Took them off at 90K and had a wee bit of life left.

Currently Cooper RT. Seem ok and deeper and more aggressive tread pattern - but noisy compared to the Toyo. Fuel consumption seems to have increased.

Have also had Cooper AT - 6 years ago. Dangerously slippery in the wet. My tyre man (Brad on here - Bay Tyres - recommend him for a sharp deal and service) tells me they have changed the compound now.

My experience for what its worth...

Goodyear wrangler - crap, wear fast and rubbish off rd
BFG KO2 - Great! Run them on work trucks, good wear and capable off rd where a full on mud tire isn't required.
Cooper ST max - been really impressed, good wear and great off road, no issues in the wet, i must drive like a nanna eh...

good luck

[QUOTE=No.3;1566213]True comment that. Suggest light loads, not much towing, conservative driving style, flat driving and not using heavy brake application all play a part.
@No.3 instead of suggesting i do this or that, why don't you ask a question instead.
I am on gravel roads every week and have a trailer on or campervan every third week, vehicle is fitted with a Hike-it throttle control, so No i am not a conservative driver.
Size may matter, i am running the 275/65/18 tyres, At 34 psi.
When i was talking to the maxxis guy at the southern field days, he said 100,000km on a set of mud tyres is not unheard off anymore.

Then if you want a question, the question I ask is the same - how the hell? I've seen a set of those chew out on a work truck in less than 40,000 blocks chewed right back to rounded edges and positively loose in anything close to damp on sealed roads. Gravel, seal, towing heavy (up to the full 3500Kg) at least weekly if not daily on the times when it's needed and reasonably heavy loads being the norm. Only way I've seen them things last is being babied - if the guy is saying 100,000 is not unheard of he must be meaning the 1 in a million case which must be yours. As context, a set of front brake pads gone, metal on metal in 9000 is the use I'm meaning as not light duty.

I personally have not seen a set of MT go over 55,000 with anything useful left on them, I'm sure it happens but not in the use I'm putting them to. Context on the AT vs MT - I did 75,000 on the first set for this ute, currently at 135,000 with 4mm left on the second set with a stuffed set of lower ball joints and just starting to get the inner edge feathered at the front. Reminds me, must get onto that...