Hey Team, Looking at doing a loop of NZ for 6-12 months and would like to take my rifle with me, does anyone know if its ok to have a rifle in a locked cabinet or what have you in a caravan? or is it a no no with the police?
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Hey Team, Looking at doing a loop of NZ for 6-12 months and would like to take my rifle with me, does anyone know if its ok to have a rifle in a locked cabinet or what have you in a caravan? or is it a no no with the police?
The rules were recently clarified, and yes, you can have a rifle in a caravan, but if I recall correctly the security needs to be inspected by a member of the police.
From the police website...
Secure storage of firearms and ammunition in mobile homes (regulation 19A)
Firearms and ammunition may only be stored in a mobile home, campervan, or caravan unit, if the vehicle or unit is being used as a temporary or permanent home; and the licence holder has appropriate storage that has been inspected and approved by Police.
thats abit grey area to me cant inspect my home after 2 years how long would it take them to inspect a caravanQuote:
Originally Posted by Cigar
At least you can take a caravan to them!
I know someone who lives in a caravan and has a lockbox installed, bolted to the structure of the caravan. It’s all good. As mentioned, get your AO to give it a thumbs up so you don’t run into any issues in your travels.
One area of firearms legislation where things have actually got better. Be happy with the wins.
ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by MB
its legal after inspection by plod, make sure the safe is bolted thru the floor with a plate on the underside. caravan floors are flimsy at best, the pommy ones are usually ultra thin ply with closed cell foam between them.
You can nad its as stated Plod have to inspect, we will be going down this route real soon it seems. I emailed the Christchurch arms office to confirm that you can. Now to make a lockbox
Yes, A slither of good has come.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
But Never forget.
And vote accordingly.
I'm actually thinking I might see if bolting one of these Supermax Heavy Duty Double Rifle Case 52" in the caravan would be enough and then use trigger locks as well as locking the case. Wanting to keep it lightweight as for a UK caravan.
That's a very fair point, be a bastard to hit a pothole and find the safe has dropped clean through... The Police fitout in the back of their vehicles are (I believe) a hardened metal which is thinner and therefore lighter than the usual house spec safe. Could be an option to look into, as it would be advantageous to make the thing as light as possible given the spec and requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
There are aluminium cases on Trademe I'm going to enquire about using one of those bolted down.
Thanks Team, I see that amendment now that you mention it. Looks good
Hey thats a good point, are you looking at those "Gun cases"? if so do let me know the outcome as obviously bolting a steel gun cab isnt ideal when tying to manage weight in a caravan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
I emailed the Christchurch arms officer the following question, his answer is below.
we are going to be living in our caravan for a few months on the road if our house sells.
I have looking at storage options for a rifle possibly two but unsure yet.
I wondered if I could bolt something like either of these options to the floor under the bed and also use trigger locks as well.
Supermax case
Aluminium case
I am just trying to think of some ideas that are not heavy like a metal safe would be.
Thanks for your time.
This is the response from the Christchurch arms officer
Kia ora Happy Jack
Please refer to section 3.2 of the document in this link: Link here
You will note that there is no specific requirement for a metal safe to be used.
Ngā mihi
Simon
Arms Administrator
Mate has a setup in his house truck that has had the tick of approval. Its those two steel lockable hoops thingies. MUCH lighter than a safe.
I did think of that but wanting something that will protect the rifles and scopes from getting knocked about.
But the reply is not a definite yes or no to your boxes. Very vague answer really as from your question it sort of shows you have done your homework and probably read section 3.2Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
No it isn't definite and yes I had already read that and been asking around. Unfortunately as always they are being obtuse so all anyone can do is fix something up then hope and pray they accept it
If can store firearms in a caravan, why not allow to store in a secured storage facility? There has electronic fence, 24x7 security measures and big locks. If police could allow this, it really help me a lot.
you can do...and always have been able to do so....Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Rabbit
I must have missed that in the arms act, can you point out which part its under please Micky as it could help solve another problem I might have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
the bit where you talk to local copper and tell him your firearms cabinet is secured in the storage facility...I know of two people who have done this long term in last few years....as has been pointed out...its arguably a hell of a lot MORE secure in a lock up than most houses.
Well, I mean not just store it but can pass firearm officer inspection. I remember I have seen from somewhere not just for once, it said I can `t do that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
if the bolts and ammunition are stored elsewhere.........
You won't (or should not) get the OK to store ammo in a storage facility as it's a DG and you can't confirm over the course of the entire facility which customer areas have DG's for emergency reasons. Been some horrendous fires at storage facilities in the past where the pops and bangs have been a major concern (people chucking 9Kg gas bottles in their lockups).Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Rabbit
On this note does anyone have knowledge of whether a tourist could carry a firearm in a motorhome for the duration of their stay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmay
I'm asking because I don't consider it "storing" if I'm use the vehicle for carriage, no different to you transporting it a to/from the range or hunting area.
Does anyone know if I could carry a rifle for 10-14 days if I was to bring one on a holiday with intentions of hunting at some point of the visit.
But, if only rifles can I get permit?Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
The motorhome would need appropriate storage, and I doubt the rental company would let you drill holes in their vehicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by CBH Australia
Regarding it being no different to us transporting a rifle to a range or hunting area, there are new rules around that, the most important in your scenario is you can only leave the vehicle for up to one hour.
Simon made it simple?Quote:
Originally Posted by chindit
Thanks, we have a responsibility to keep them safe, out of site etc but there is no specific definitions on a lockable box etc for transport. Nor should there be they can be posted or freighted dealer to dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Rabbit
Could someone post a link to the firearms act or section please. It will make it hard for a visitor.
Not the Arms Act, but this legislation covers the relevant bits about transport and motorhomes.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regu...resel_25_h&p=1
I see you can leave the vehicle unattended for more than 1 hour if it is a motorhome, etc, and has had the police inspection and approval of the security arrangements.
Just wondering if anyone has managed to get compliance and if they’d be happy to share photos or details of what they did? I’ve got a UK caravan and similar to some of the comments was thinking of mounting a rack or lockbox through the floor.
Firearms in Motorhomes – considerations for security of firearms in motorhomes/caravans and physical installation of a gunsafe into a motorhome
Video with some pointers halfway down the page.
https://www.police.govt.nz/advice-se...transportation
I'm going to be trying to get my setup examined real soon I have mounted a steel bracket to the chassis under the bed in a UK caravan using 8mm bolts with shear nuts and used Locktite on the threads. I also hammered the ends of the bolts so no nut can be undone, the caravan has been away on a trip and I just need to confirm that everything is still done up tight then get a lockbox for ammo and bolt so they can be locked away separately. I also intend as a backup to run a cable lock through the breach as well as the bracket going through the trigger guard. I also made a lightweight MDF box to go over said rack and rifle and it will be covered in spare bedding when in use. I need to get it all done asap as once the house sells it will be our home for a while.
Make a great sequel title to " Snakes on Airplanes'" . Samuel L Jackson " Guns in Caravans " motherfucker.
A safe would be too heavy in a UK caravan as they have a limited weight capacity hence why I opted for a rack instead. Time will tell.
this is the latest police advice regarding secure storage, has the answers needed for various storage requirements.
https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...e-guidance.pdf
I have an inspection booked and confirmed for the 18th October for the security arrangements in my caravan. I told the lady over the phone today what I have done and she thinks it will be all good to go subject to the inspection. Once I have it signed off which I am going to insist on having in writing I will post some pics on here for others to look at.
I am thinking about to have a caravans recently which suitable for myself to live comfortable in it. To rent a house or apartment, the issue is not the cost, since I have to stay mobile for at least a winter. If I can buy a property, things will be easy for me but I am not allowed to do so. From all you gents suggested....so can we pass the safety inspections or not if we store rifles and ammo in a caravans, or motor home? Anybody got confirmed experience...thanks