Green machine Aston Martin i think,a real car.:thumbsup:
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Green machine Aston Martin i think,a real car.:thumbsup:
I used to have a 2.5L skyline that used about 12L/100km. When petrol was almost going to hit $1.50/L I got a 1L manual Suzuki Swift as a daily runabout. This was a steep learning curve as the fuel usage was not what I expected. The 1L car on the open road used 8L/100km, now my 1.5L uses 7L/100 km and 6.2 on the open road.
This also shows I have some inefficient driving habits :wtfsmilie:
There's a sweet spot between a tiny engine that's really too small for the size/weight of what it's moving so it's at full power the whole time and max fuel useage, to a really big engine that's idling most of the time on a very light fuel burn and doesn't use much but in the equation you have purchase cost, maintenance, weight and bulk and parts cost...Quote:
Originally Posted by No good names left
I used to have a 1.6 Suzuki vitara that worked hard on the open roadQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Think it was a 1989 model and the carburettor would freeze up early in the morning at highway speeds, had a wee snorkel on the air filter housing that you turned around to inhale the hot air off the exhaust manifold
It used about 80% throttle at highway speeds and wasn’t good on fuel at all
I am running a 1.6 Vitara and a 3l V6 Avalon.I use both for towing the trailer and choose which one depending on where I am going and what I am getting. If I have to drive on any slightly dubious surface that the Avalon may slip on I take the Vitara. With regards to economy (and I drive a bit like a lil ole lady.... ) the mileage between them is near enough to identical. Around 9.5km per litre for both. But one is far more comfortable to spend time in....Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
Hybrids have their uses...and they are best suited for lots of round town / slow speed running - think taxis which is where the 830,000km one mentioned by @makka would be how these ks are achieved.
I looked seriously at a Prius (I know, I know) back in 2021/2022 - it was a couple of $K and 300,00km or so but needed a new hybrid battery, cooling fan setup etc etc. Worked out that it would cost me about $3500 in parts, less what I could get for the old battery - replacing the bits doing the work myself and at the end of it with a bit of a tidy would be a 10-12K vehicle. Might have been able to replace a few cells in the hybrid pack and get away with a functional battery a hell of a lot cheaper than a replacement, but you can't really quantify that until you get into it.
Nowadays, I don't think it's worth it for the driving we do - it won't save what we were expecting it would as noted up top. The only way I'd consider one now though would be in that way, getting it CHEAP and refitting it so the expense is included in the purchase price less labour costs.
I flogged it a bit this morning, started at 30ltrs/100 but got the average down to a leisurely 16/100Quote:
Originally Posted by Trout
The workshop around the corner from work undertakes a lot of repairs on Uber drivers Prius's, he has given up on replacing single batteries because of the knob ache dealing with the owner drivers and afterpay.
He tells them to replace the lot, most can't afford to do it. He reckons one of them will kill themselves someday trying to do it.
You mean single cells out of a battery? It's a hard one, theres a heap of labour skinning the things just to get into the battery pack and then you've gotta get the thing out and onto a bench to find out what the go is. Provided you follow the elecy bitey dancy rules, it's not that bad workflow wise it's labour... The issue is when you aren't informed of the rules or treat the thing like a 12v automotive battery - volts thrill, amps kill as they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300winmag
I'm a sparky by trade, but haven't been on the tools for a long time. However have been around electricity stuff quite a bit (building of flamanville, kusile, medupi, Pembroke, etc).
Battery Electric cars in nz do not make any finiancial sense, unless they are owned by a company that can off set the loses against profit ( Depreciation, and end sale loss)
And if you want one to care for the environment, you don't understand full life cycle cost (carbon, energy, pollution, micro plastics/metals, etc...
He started off replacing single cells only to find that the Uber driver returned two weeks later wanting a refund because the problem reappeared. Other cells were beginning to shit themselves. This happened quite often so he stopped doing it and only does full replacements.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Makes sense, replace one part and it transfers the weakness to the next weakest link. I looked at one battery in bits the other day, the guy doing it tested each cell and basically half failed most with the visual check (bulges or terminals corroded etc etc) so the entire pack was written off - some of the cells might be reused to keep something else going for a short time but when you get to that amount it's not worth the potential hassle factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300winmag
About to depart for holiday.will spend next two weeks driving a hybrid Toyota aqua....will try to remember to take note of KMs and liters of fuel used lol,also not to park it in dodgy neighbourhood lol
Same with re celling power tool batteries. Factory cells are measured and batched, ie A with A, B with B and so on. Re calling you just put random cells together. Like putting epsom salts in your lead/acid battery, works but it’s temporaryQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
You can imagine an Uber driver returning a couple of weeks later demanding he fix the fault properly when they were told to cough up $15 k plus for a new set of batteries. There’s some highly educated Uber drivers but not clued up with what wheels they have bought.
Well here it is. About as vanilla flavoured a car as it is possible to buy.
Thank fuck its not a green Aston Martin. That would’ve taken some explaining.
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Me just put random cells together? Ha - I batch by colour...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
It's a interesting one - the tests on them can go on for days and no cells test the same at the end of it. That's a true black art - the guys that do it for a living will look at a pair of results virtually identical and separate the cells into different batteries. When you ask why they just tap their noses!
My gear measures charge voltage and amperage against time, total capacity, and discharge current against a known load among other things. It's really very basic in the scheme of that game, but generally you can arrange things so the highest resistance cell is highest in the queue so to speak so the others are working off that to balance the load.
Sounds like you have schooled your kids up, I’m sure they will look after it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
Right ho. As promised. We traveled 1426km and used 77 liters of 91 octane. Rotorua to Coromandel to Taumarunui to kawhia to Taumarunui then arapuni n up to Rotorua again.been a weird wee car to drive ,Toyota aqua.my biggest gripe was the front pillars blocked lots of view when looking sideways.
That's pretty good going MD
18.51 ks/litre or 5.4l/100km, pretty good
My wifes Nossan march (2004 so not a new one) gets very similar mielage at 17.5k per litre when I use it for the commute to work....(30km each way each day about 50/50 motorway and city driving) so thats not really a vote for an aqua frm my point of view. Especially when silimar cars are around the $3k to $5kQuote:
Originally Posted by tamamutu
yes and no....my Lexus Ct200h gets very close to that at 4.7L per 100km it's by no means a large car but it's still big compared to an Aqua or March....if size is a consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
Horses for courses I guess, but i struggle enough folding myself down into the Ct200h, no chance I would want to drive a March or Aqua for any length of time, the other consideration is open road driving, the CT200H is very well mannered on the open road (cruise control and very firm but comfortable suspension), not like driving a compact hatch which can be very revvy and unpleasant.
I drove a Mazda Demio and a Honda Fit for a very short period both what I would consider compact hatch's and both were awful on the open road as far as being over revvy and gutless not to mention in particular the Demio was tiny with very little cabin or luggage space.
If I still want a Hybrid when I replace the CT200H I would go bigger again something along the lines of a Toyota Sai doesn't use feck all more fuel and a much larger boot and cabin. that's my 2 cents and hey the workd would be very voring if we all liked the same things. This is based off my first hand experience.
The dash readout says 6.0L/100km over the 1,050km done so far. Happy with that.
The wife reversed the Corolla out of the garage straight into her Highlander the other day. Inexplicable. It did not go down well at all. Luckily I know how to remove (significant) dents out of plastic bumpers. She can be fucking glad she didn’t hit the tow hitch (mm in it). The lesson for her (third time she’s done it) is never to reverse a car when she’s running late and in a tizz. Silly girl.
Teach her to combat park?? (car facing outwards ready to drive away?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
not really that great being a hybrid, my focus 1.8tdci manual does 20-25km per L and parents focus does 20km-L mix of city and open road driving would of expected better
Driving styles have a massive amount to do with it. My father used to drive all his cars on the smell of an oily rag while I treat my cars like go-karts and use 30-50% more than he did.
When I think about this further, I know that Mums late model Vitara uses less gas than the Nissan .....Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
Bear in mind at purchase time the little straight petrol Japper ICEs can be very good on fuel now. I run a compact Toyota Ist 1.5 VVTi and in a 90% city driving fuel test this week it did 473ks at 15.25Ks per Litre, = 6.6L/per 100ks, = 43.3mpg. Round town!! Open road test was 50.25mpg or 5.6L/100ks. Marvelous economy from an ICE, and it only cost me $4.5k with 80ks on it. Take alot of ks and many years before extra cost for hybrid purchase paid for itself. Worth a thought.
I also like the fact this wee 1.5 VVTi has some pep on open road - absolutely fine for long trips. Test drove the 1.3 variant and definitely not enough power. I do like my 300hp+ sportscars, but this little 1.5 ICE has really surprised me - does its job very well. In terms of purchase price, fuel use and low maintenance, its a very cost-efficient little unit. Toyota 1NZ-FE motor.
Take you a few yrs to loose 4.5k too MGs.Agood buy there for sure.
Got the wife a GWM Haval H6 hybrid before xmas, it's a non-phev hybrid. I love the electric drive setup, and the features on it. Damn thing can just about drive itself.
British Racing Green?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trout
I really wanted to buy a plug in hybrid or electric can for my wife to drive to work but every way I looked at it it just didn’t add up so I bought a Honda Jazz, my wife thought the fuel gauge was faulty because it took so long to drop.
I remember back in the 80s we would ask customers what they got fuel economy wise, the 4 cylinder, 6 cylinder, and the V8 Commodores all used the same fuel per Kilometre on a big trip. Basic physics weight/distance.
I have a company Toyota Rav4 Hybrid.
Great to drive etc and good on gas however the higher purchase cost does not stack up when comparing against small / midsized petrol cars running costs over a few years.
Good idea, but does not really make cents / sense.
I just ticked over 75,000km. Up till recently the long term average fuel consumption has been 5.6 litres per 100km.
This has now dropped to 6.0 litres per 100km.
My guess is the battery capacity has changed which is effecting the economy.
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Well, the debate has been nullified by Toyota, if you’re looking at new cars, because you can’t buy a petrol only Rav4 any more. They’re all hybrids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon
Same for Corolla, Camry, Yaris, Highlander, C-HR….
You have to buy a very expensive 4WD to get a straight ICE now.
That’s all good, no skin off my nose. The tech makes sense. Its just the affordability that’s been problematic, and will remain so for a good while. It will be interesting to see what happens in the secondhand car market in years to come. How will hybrids perform pricewise as they approach the end of the 10 year battery warranty? How many instances of successful warranty claims will there be? What about attempting warranty claims on cars that have had multiple owners? How much will a replacement battery cost in 10 years time? Will batteries for today’s models be readily available in 10 years time? What will a new vehicle look like in 10 years time? Hydrogen?
There’s still a lot of questions to be asked and answered by the market.
In the meantime, assuming petrol doesn’t cost $50 a litre in 10 years time, I’m confident a good quality ICE will still be running ok assuming it’s looked after. I wouldn’t mind betting the 3.5L V6 Highlander we have will be 20 years old by the time it’s retired. Maybe more! It’s 15 years old already and still absolutely fine.
One thing for sure. When we go and do a quarterly shop at Pak n Save, at least we can get it all into the Highlander. If you drive any of these current hatchback hybrids you’d have to take a fucking trailer! Their utility is absolute rubbish, no capacity in them whatsoever.
You're right on every count there.
I see a major issue coming shortly with certain hybrid models - no supply of battery tech to repair or replace the batteries and no disposal pathway when they crap out. Also factor in the extra wear and tear and maintenance requirements due to lugging all the extra weight around. Toyota is not the same manufacturer as in days of old where they nailed exactly what the market wanted at the price the market would pay and the product did exactly what it said on the label reliably.
The new hybrid hilux doesn't appear to be a 1 ton ute any more, and at the full towing weight it doesn't have the same capacity as a non hybrid version. Ergo, if you own a non-hybrid version it just went up in value... Also, two cases now I've heard of where the fitting of a towbar has registered the anti theft system in the hybrid battery locked as activated, meaning the battery had to be replaced under warranty. The battery apparently needs to be dropped to fit the towbar... Makes me question how it would go in a rear end shunt.
Greetings all,
The hybrid vehicles are likely close to the end of their run. I had spotted that they don't save much in fuel. Plug in hybrid vehicles are a little better but you still have to maintain a petrol or diesel engine which rubs out most of the savings. Electric vehicles are the future but we are not there yet. They will take over once batteries get better and cheaper but I may not see it. In the mean time my little Jimny chugs along using way less petrol than many hybrids and only doing around 7,000 km pa I will likely wear out before it does. Downsizing your vehicle to what you actually need will save more fuel than a hybrid.
Regards Grandpamac.
Started off at around 30 and at the end it was down to the low 20’s, price you pay for some grouse sounding exhaust tones. Not a lot of flogging involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2post
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They make it so we can burn it:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by XR500
Coming down 11.5 cents in Auckland on Monday
