Thread: LPG a word of warning

Plenty of people have died doin my job to....probably more than firefighters or cops per head.
We dont get state funerals.
Just fucked up the arse for having a bottle turned the wrong way.....gas bottle suppliers should be liable for not havin stickers facing every direction if it is a requirement.
they are round FFS!

I agree. It's obviously a grey area and a warning wouldn't go astray would it??

What about using your work ute when you are filling up a gas bottle for the bbq??

Your trade or job might not even involve any type of dangerous goods. How the fuck would you know you were doing something wrong?

Originally Posted by Tui4Me

I agree. It's obviously a grey area and a warning wouldn't go astray would it??

What about using your work wagon when you are filling up a gas bottle for the bbq??

My advise would be dont even go there, get the wife to do it in the shopping trolly.
Yes most cops are reasonable human beings but just like the rest of us some are complet cnuts unfortunatly.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Tell that to Derick Lovell. Oh thats right you can't cause he's dead.
Yeah I know its the other end of the scale but Tamahere should have been completely a different outcome if the correct labels and signage were in place. You have to appeal to all ends of the spectrum or its just a waste of time enforcing anything.

LPG is relatively safe considering the amount of dick heads using it at home on things like BBQs. The condition of the appliance probably poses more of a danger than the LPG. Tamahere was more than bottles of LPG, it was bad decision making all round

interesting! reading the following:
Transporting small quantities of dangerous goods

If you carry dangerous goods as tools-of-trade, for agricultural use or for a commercial purpose, but not for hire or direct reward, and the quantity is within the limits in schedule 1 of the rule, then you're responsible for:
•making sure the goods are properly packaged and identified
•segregating incompatible dangerous goods (keeping them apart to prevent dangerous reactions)
•securing the load on your vehicle
•carrying emergency response information
•safe handling practices and emergency procedures

It looks like any tradie type person is about f*%ked (we knew that anyway). I now have to have stickers on the work Utes because they carry nail guns which run on gas and have all the paper work that goes with it?
As far as the fine goes I find it hard to believe any cop would be able to give you a ticket for it unless it was for hire or reward (hire or reward is a hard one) eg: transport company. If your carry goods which comply with schedule 1 or what ever the f*&k it is for work related activities the only fines available should be from Work Safe.

I agree but the ticket was written, the fine is x amount, and the court is upholding it when he tryed to get off it !!??

Never read so much crap in my life, if you are in buisness and can,t afford to follow simple H&S advice , then you are a asshole, if someone,s life is worth less to you than the cost of a couple of stickers, then I would not use you, and you don,t deserve to be in buisness.
Get a life, ACC will change in the future and you will all need full public and employee insurance, which unless you follow full H&S will not be worth the paper it's written on.
Veitnamcam,As to more people being killed doing your job than firemen or policemen, from some of your posts today, I would say that if they have the same attitude as you, the Darwin effect is working just fine.

Just as the Darwin affect is meant to! Do you own your own business and employ people?

Macca, I don,t, in NZ , but have run company's overseas, where H&S is taken with a bit more seriousness, blaming costs for the inability of keeping your employees or yourself safe is stupid at the least.
Look at some of the most profitable companies in NZ and you will see they all comply with H&S to a high level.

Ah but there's a difference between big corporate companies, many ripping us off for millions and a small family businesses being bullied by huge fines for little non compliance issues, these fines are way out of wack, you cannot bully companies into compliance, you need to help and educate until it is in their culture. The horror stories I'm hearing will drive everyone into covering up and telling porkies. It's about education not making money

Originally Posted by Taff

Never read so much crap in my life, if you are in buisness and can,t afford to follow simple H&S advice , then you are a asshole, if someone,s life is worth less to you than the cost of a couple of stickers, then I would not use you, and you don,t deserve to be in buisness.
Get a life, ACC will change in the future and you will all need full public and employee insurance, which unless you follow full H&S will not be worth the paper it's written on.
Veitnamcam,As to more people being killed doing your job than firemen or policemen, from some of your posts today, I would say that if they have the same attitude as you, the Darwin effect is working just fine.

The point is the bottles do have stickers they wont get filled otherise, the cop writing the ticket couldnt look on the otherside of the bottle because no doubt he had a quota to fill.

I am all for sensible health and safety, I dont want to die at work because my boss is a cheap cunt and wont hire a sizzor lift and make us work off ladders etc or a million other examples.

But the case in point is totally ridiculous and I sincerely hope you are sentenced to jail where you are butt raped repeatedly for not having a dangerous goods sticker clearly visible on your phone and vehicle for the extremely life threatening battery it contains.

Could you please Highlight and copy and paste my Darwin award worthy posts from today and post them all here for all to see.

The point also is VC if you think you safety is being compromised you should discuss it, I think that's a tool box meeting and retain the right not to put yourself in harms way. I'm only one brain and appreciate my guys input to situations before we do the work, gotta work as safe as you can!

Originally Posted by Maca49

The point also is VC if you think you safety is being compromised you should discuss it, I think that's a tool box meeting and retain the right not to put yourself in harms way. I'm only one brain and appreciate my guys input to situations before we do the work, gotta work as safe as you can!

Of course.

Still waiting @Taffs reply.....

Maca, I have to agree, it's about education but some people just ignore the advice, a bit like hunters who get buck fever.
Veitnamcam, sorry I should have said your previous posts not today's , the bottles may have stickers, but if you have ever seen a bottle go off, then you would know why you need stickers on the vehicle, in case it's involved in a fire or accident
http://www.business.govt.nz/.../atti...itative-constr...
way Health and Safety is seen also fluctuates depending on business and personal pressures. ...... machinery/vehicles will be well maintained. ... Health and Safety messages may be evident e.g. booklets in staffrooms, stickers on machinery.

Originally Posted by Taff

Maca, I have to agree, it's about education but some people just ignore the advice, a bit like hunters who get buck fever.
Veitnamcam, sorry I should have said your previous posts not today's , the bottles may have stickers, but if you have ever seen a bottle go off, then you would know why you need stickers on the vehicle, in case it's involved in a fire or accident
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...itative-constr...
way Health and Safety is seen also fluctuates depending on business and personal pressures. ...... machinery/vehicles will be well maintained. ... Health and Safety messages may be evident e.g. booklets in staffrooms, stickers on machinery.

Following your link I get "page doesnt exist.

Are you in business yourself Taff? I could send my Dad round for a look if you like his business IS health and safety.