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My little Toyota Carib has just shit itself and I gotta get a new car fast.
I am looking at a Mitsubishi Outlander, 2.4 ltr model or a Subaru Outback either in the 2.5 Ltr engine or the 3.0R engine
I don't know a lot about either, what make guys and what model. all I know i the Mitsi and the Outback 30R both are cam chain while the 2.5 ltr Outback is cam belt.
Any real world experience or input would be greatly appreciated.
all now cvt. avoid like the plague!
i have a 3.0 legacy, love it but now subby has gone cvt it will be the last
these are all 2006 year cars
legacy all the way then!
best awd system on the market and when you put it in S# mode its a bloody rocket ship !
Love my 2015 Outlander oh and yes it made it up the hill with townie tires when Happy's Hilux got bogged.
PS - the Hilux has been sold - but replaced with a new SR5 LOL!!!!
I would recommend staying away from the 2.5l engines, Subaru kind of fucked up there.
I have a 30R and it is a really reliable car, not so good on gas about town but I can easily go Auckland to Wellies on less than a tank of gas. Got it just over two years ago at 172km and its just gone over 207km - only needed a few oil changes and a set of tyres. I have a legacy but would recommend the outback as the legacy is too bloody low.
I drove an outlander for about three years and definitely prefer the Subaru over it.
Got a 2007 outback, no major issues others than tyres and when I put the wrong oil in it and it went into limp mode. Can advice that the disc brakes don't like slowing down from WAAAAAAY past speed limit, managed to overheat them and then they had a wobble. $140 for a new pair of discs, I consider that damn cheap.
Outback no question for me... I like Subarus (had 4 of them, current one is an 02 Legacy GTB I've had for about 9 years), never owned a Mitsi but I don't like them so I probably never will.
The 2.5 engines aren't as good as the 2.0 and 3.0, tend to need head gaskets done around 200k (though by the age you're looking at they apparently got a bit better). Pity they didn't make a 3.0 manual Outback though as far as I know, 2.5 came with manual or auto but 3.0 was auto only. They made a 3.0 6-speed manual Legacy so I don't know why they didn't give the Outback that option too. That 3.0 is a silky smooth engine, really nice.
Tells you something when you see the local Mitsi dealer driving a Nissan day to day too! :ORLY:
got a 3.0 outback here, bloody nice to drive and the 4WD system is great. just make sure you feed it 95.
Had the 3.0R 2006 Legacy.
Super smooth and reliable, was owned from 30 000k - 316 000k between me and my dad issue free before someone run into the wife writing it off.
They're very thirsty around town but pretty good on the open road. Happily cruise along and then heaps of go when you plant your foot.
Not sure if it's a common theme with the subaru around that year but on cruise control mine hunted heaps, my '90 landcruiser was way smoother.
i have had a 2.5 legacy, a 2.0 forester and the 3.0 legacy which i still own. from chch to blenheim and back it was $30 less fuel than the 2.0.
at 100km/h its pulling 2200rpm and just purrs along.
I've had my 3L 2005 Legacy for three years without any trouble. As the others have said she is a bit thirsty if you drive fast around town. Only other thing I've noticed is I tend to go through breaks a bit, but that can probably be attributed to the amount I tow my boat (probably 750kg trailered weight in an un-braked trailer).
Another happy 3.0R Legacy owner here, I don't plan on changing it any time soon. Nibblet's post summed it up well, except I'm unfamiliar with the cruise control issue.
I have owned both (currently wife still has the outlander as her daily)
wouldn't own another outback as they are quite a thirsty bitch.
nothing bad to say about the outlander , good honest and reliable waka.
We got a 3L outback. Very reliable very smooth. Yes a bit thirsty around town if your on and off the pedal. They go lots of places a car shouldn't go. Subaru's are the best 4wd car by far. Highly recommend.
The Subaru AWD system is simply the best. Even in my Legacy I've never been in some situations that I'm sure most of the following "AWD" vehicles would have got stuck in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1VezHjzQ0
Pretty impressive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7j7jHIvoPc
The traction control system in my 2007 outback is amazing, with it on can cruise all over the snow and wonder why people are getting stuck, took it off to see what happened.... Stuck withen 30sec
Couple advantages of the mitsi is available in 7 seats and higher clearance and paddock work capabilities.. Only go NZ new in the outlander though if you do choose though. I think subys drive and feel nicer on the road though.. Can't comment on mechanical as haven't owned either but gave driven a couple of each...
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3.0 suby all the way
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Internet says 210mm clearance for an 06 Outlander which is the same as an Outback that age, but the Subaru has a better 4wd system. Think the Outlander is front-biased and waits until the front wheels slip before transferring drive to the rear. Mate has a V6 one and reckons it has quite bad torque steer when you give it the jandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by deepsouthaussie
Owned MMC vehicles for 8 years, definitely a FWD biased and asymmetrical system. Not bad vehicles by any means but AWD (Subaru) system in my experience is vastly superior.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen