Thread: Modern Diesels

Iv spent my working life burning diesel in one way or another, every machine Iv had was better than the last, more power, better economy and far more reliable, utes have been the same. My days of groveling under vehicles up to my elbows in burnt oil and shit are well behind me. 2 utes a ago I had a V6 triton, green over silver, really liked it , in a moment of phone induced distraction I drove it off a loading bank cut into a slope. Hit bloody hard, when the vision cleared I got out thinking the damage would be horrific , crumpled panels , bent rims .. but it was unscathed, didnt even need a wheel alignment.
Each to his own and I get those that just like old stuff but IMHO the " old is better" is a load of romantic bullshit.

Originally Posted by sneeze

Iv spent my working life burning diesel in one way or another, every machine Iv had was better than the last, more power, better economy and far more reliable, utes have been the same. My days of groveling under vehicles up to my elbows in burnt oil and shit are well behind me. 2 utes a ago I had a V6 triton, green over silver, really liked it , in a moment of phone induced distraction I drove it off a loading bank cut into a slope. Hit bloody hard, when the vision cleared I got out thinking the damage would be horrific , crumpled panels , bent rims .. but it was unscathed, didnt even need a wheel alignment.
Each to his own and I get those that just like old stuff but IMHO the " old is better" is a load of romantic bullshit.

Well my OLD 93 Pajero has disc brakes all round where as my NEW colorado has drums on the rear who would have thought eh and yes the Colorado stops faster with all its wizzy bits but I reckon it will be lucky to get to the same km's as the Paj has done with no major repairs

Originally Posted by mikee

Well my OLD 93 Pajero has disc brakes all round where as my NEW colorado has drums on the rear who would have thought eh and yes the Colorado stops faster with all its wizzy bits but I reckon it will be lucky to get to the same km's as the Paj has done with no major repairs

That just means mtisi is better than holden, nothing to do with age

Originally Posted by sneeze

That just means mtisi is better than holden, nothing to do with age

Both are infinitly better than Mazda and local toyota dealers are a bunch of snobs

Originally Posted by sneeze

Iv spent my working life burning diesel in one way or another, every machine Iv had was better than the last, more power, better economy and far more reliable, utes have been the same. My days of groveling under vehicles up to my elbows in burnt oil and shit are well behind me. 2 utes a ago I had a V6 triton, green over silver, really liked it , in a moment of phone induced distraction I drove it off a loading bank cut into a slope. Hit bloody hard, when the vision cleared I got out thinking the damage would be horrific , crumpled panels , bent rims .. but it was unscathed, didnt even need a wheel alignment.
Each to his own and I get those that just like old stuff but IMHO the " old is better" is a load of romantic bullshit.

New and powerful and efficient is good and old and simple and cheap to repair/rebuild is good ,somewhere in the middle is first generation new technology that is getting old and unreliable and VERY expensive to maintain and this is where the second hand market is very bloody wary now and will become moreso as more get bitten.
Shorter design lifes are all well and good but eventually the second hand market will catch up and drop and so will new vehicle turnover prices and lease rates go up.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

New and powerful and efficient is good and old and simple and cheap to repair/rebuild is good ,somewhere in the middle is first generation new technology that is getting old and unreliable and VERY expensive to maintain and this is where the second hand market is very bloody wary now and will become moreso as more get bitten.
Shorter design lifes are all well and good but eventually the second hand market will catch up and drop and so will new vehicle turnover prices and lease rates go up.

Even second gen is getting unreliable and expensive with shorter design lives.

Originally Posted by sneeze

Iv spent my working life burning diesel in one way or another, every machine Iv had was better than the last, more power, better economy and far more reliable, utes have been the same. My days of groveling under vehicles up to my elbows in burnt oil and shit are well behind me. 2 utes a ago I had a V6 triton, green over silver, really liked it , in a moment of phone induced distraction I drove it off a loading bank cut into a slope. Hit bloody hard, when the vision cleared I got out thinking the damage would be horrific , crumpled panels , bent rims .. but it was unscathed, didnt even need a wheel alignment.
Each to his own and I get those that just like old stuff but IMHO the " old is better" is a load of romantic bullshit.

The late 80's to mid 90's stuff was pretty reliable, and for much longer than the new stuff. The old Safari's and Bighorns are known for longevity with 400,000+km pretty standard. I know the UN were getting about 1,000,000km out of their Safaris. If there are issues it is generally quite cheap to make repairs, often even in the field. The newer high strung diesels I would not trust for serious off road work, just too much ancillary crap to go wrong; the more complicated the more likely there will be failure in adverse conditions. Particularly the electronics with brittle lead free solder and injection systems with dirt and water.

Originally Posted by sneeze

Each to his own and I get those that just like old stuff but IMHO the " old is better" is a load of romantic bullshit.

The old is better thing ONLY applies to young cubs like me who still ENJOY working on their own cars (which is handy when money is always scarce too). The novelty wears off tho, I get that. When I'm your age I don't want to have to crawl under my spaceship to change the tranny oil in the hyper drive.