Mud tyre suggestions?

After getting so badly spanked at the 4x4 comp I went to with the manukau 4x4 guys it's evident I need to cough up for some mud tyres for the Suzuki.

Anyone got any suggestions? This is for a dedicated trailer truck, never will be on the road.

Remember at this stage with my piddly 1.3L I don't have the grunt to turn anything too big.

Hoping not to spend too much. Under a grand if I can manage. Even second hand ones would probably do me fine. My GT radial mud tyres on the Hilux hurt to buy.

Cheers guys

Look for some older simexs on trademe or sivlerstones mothing else is close grip wise if not on the road.
Silverstones are softer in the walls so a light truck will be better with them, you little truck wont sag the simexs much at all

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Probly to big tho............

You have mud up there you lucky barstool:yaeh am not durnk:

Tires is not a this is good that is shit thing, you really have to match the tire to the conditions.
Ie sand flotation is king,wide long footprint is the go, pattern not that important unless you have horsepower to turn a paddle then your pretty much stuck with sand.
Soft sticky clay more open and chunky the better.
sand dirt and farm tracks IE soil on a hard base and or rocks a reasonably open pattern and soft compound that you WILL NOT get in a true mud tire will out perform the "serious" mud tires.
Greasy on a hard base= skinny aggressive tires
soft bottomless terrain = wide less aggressive tires.

Think about where you will drive and what the conditions will dictate not what looks cool or what everyone else has;)

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Originally Posted by tui_man2

Look for some older simexs on trademe or sivlerstones mothing else is close grip wise if not on the road.
Silverstones are softer in the walls so a light truck will be better with them, you little truck wont sag the simexs much at all

boom bargin
SIMEX centipede 32X 9.5 R16 x4 | Trade Me

Probly to big tho............

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Cheers tuiman,
Yeah those are too big. I've got 15's.
couple of the guys at the 4x4 thing has simexes. Bloody rugged things. A factory land cruiser had them and he nailed just about every track.

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Originally Posted by RimfireNZ

Cheers tuiman,
Yeah those are too big. I've got 15's.
couple of the guys at the 4x4 thing has simexes. Bloody rugged things. A factory land cruiser had them and he nailed just about every track.

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Thats because its a landcruser not the simexes;) Iv had simex/silverstone/bfg/kumho on the cruiser.
simex and silverstone are awesome mud tires but thats all they are, they wont clime a bedrock firebreak the compound and contact patch is to hard/small to get any real traction, you will roast 2k of tires while the guy in the stock standard whatever drives up on ats;)

If your are only gonna drive mud then go simex silverstone or swamper(tryed them too) but be prepared to be disappointed with grip in anything other than soft terrain.

Work out where and how you are gonna drive it then pick the tire .

I had Maxis Mudders on Hi Lux and an older Discovery for a while. Never got stuck.
Agree with VC these used to dig huge holes but had enough horsepower to clear them.
So obviously reasonable in the mud. Its all dependant on the terrain you are driving exactly as VC said.
Win lotto put a real motor in it with some horsepower to burn then have three or four sets of wheels to chop and change with.
Horsepower is pretty important is one thing I have found and tall tires drink it like the Midget drinks Tui...

Been running Cooper STT's for a while now and been very impressed on mud, sand, snow, rock and Tarmac!

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Originally Posted by Matt2308

Been running Cooper STT's for a while now and been very impressed on mud, sand, snow, rock and Tarmac!

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Saw some of those just out of interest what sort of dollars per tire / size did you buy ?

Running 31x10.50 R15.

Can't remember the price off the top of my head but they weren't cheap.
They perform surprisingly well on the road, without too much noise so saved me having different tyres for different conditions and they wear very well too.
I did a lot of research before buying them and they were highly recommended by many!
I think the power to spin and clear your tyres is a big help though in the mud at times!

Track down Russell Biggs (he lives out beachlands way) and see if he still does the handcuts, They will be the best compromise for you.
You want 30"max at the moment but better to be narrower because of lack of power.

Simex's are the best mud tyres out for off road conditions.

If you do more dry type comps then bighorns, wranglers etc are good, but most guys use simex's. Might be hard to find for a zook though.

Agree with cam, you can wreck them easy as though

Chris

Thanks for all the posts guys. VC you gave me a bit to think about there. I'm not exactly sure what average conditions are going to be for this little thing.

Mud and a bit of sand maybe. Not sure.

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Originally Posted by RimfireNZ

Thanks for all the posts guys. VC you gave me a bit to think about there. I'm not exactly sure what average conditions are going to be for this little thing.

Mud and a bit of sand maybe. Not sure.

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Go wide as you can then. Big is good but raises your gearing and that's not good if already suffering lack of power.
Those little things advantage is light weight and they don't fit most ruts ;) hence they may be on the point of rolling but often get threw ruts the big heavy wagons won't.

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And drop pressure until they bag the side wall.

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Originally Posted by Matt2308

Been running Cooper STT's for a while now and been very impressed on mud, sand, snow, rock and Tarmac!

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WE have Copper ST's on our Mitsubishi, great tyres. Unfortunately due to some pricks stealing our 4wd/going for a joy ride and getting in a car chase (a couple of weeks ago)...3 out of 4 tyres are fucked (spike strip). Insurance will only fork out for wear and tear on the tyres.

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Originally Posted by Raging Bull

WE have Copper ST's on our Mitsubishi, great tyres. Unfortunately due to some pricks stealing our 4wd/going for a joy ride and getting in a car chase (a couple of weeks ago)...3 out of 4 tyres are fucked (spike strip). Insurance will only fork out for wear and tear on the tyres.

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Wouldn't yo like too spike those cnuts:pissed off:

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Originally Posted by Raging Bull

WE have Copper ST's on our Mitsubishi, great tyres. Unfortunately due to some pricks stealing our 4wd/going for a joy ride and getting in a car chase (a couple of weeks ago)...3 out of 4 tyres are fucked (spike strip). Insurance will only fork out for wear and tear on the tyres.

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Go and see them ans make a lot of noise, especially when and where they have prospective new clients. It is a direct result of the theft. ;)

What about some tractor grips? If you can still buy them?
I remember the old man using them in the winter at home when I was a wee tacker.

Possibly not allowed for comps though...

Can still get them. Dad runs them all year round in his landcruiser and pajero on the farm.

Can't use them in comps though I think.

These puppies still have my vote for low cost quality

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Have a look at Maxxis.com for sizes you can get

We've started fitting those Maxxis Bighorns and Maxxis Mudder's to farm trucks (70's and Hilux's) and the cockies are impressed so far.
The Mudder is a bit softer and has slightly more open tread so probably won't get the road mileage, but offroad only they'll last for ages.

Hi all, I had borrowed maxxis mudder buckshots on my terrano for 2 or so years, never had any problems with traction while hunting or pushing up bush tracks, did get stuck in some serious stuff when mucking around though. Did about 50,000km and they were only half worn, quiet and good handling on the road too. plus they are cheep to buy especially if you know a mechanic or tyre fitter.

Welcome bsa

If you dont intend road speed (>80kmh) I'd go retreads and tubes....You want that big V pattern on the retreads and to go low pressure if needed.

There are two trains of thought,

a ) With a small engine and that you need to spin the wheels to throw the mud out of the treads, but you dig in....so keep the tyres narrow, high profile.

b) Try and float across which means wider tyres with a small engine....I wouldnt think it would work.

If you are never on the road can you get a bigger engine cheaply? say 1600cc or something?

The serious off roaders Ive met go for a) and run retreads with big V patterns, tubes and clamps to hold the tyres on the rim when at low pressure.

I run Hankook Dynamic MTs for the road/casual mud bath, I will replace them when worn I think they have done me well.

regards

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Originally Posted by steven

If you dont intend road speed (>80kmh) I'd go retreads and tubes....You want that big V pattern on the retreads and to go low pressure if needed.

There are two trains of thought,

a ) With a small engine and that you need to spin the wheels to throw the mud out of the treads, but you dig in....so keep the tyres narrow, high profile.

b) Try and float across which means wider tyres with a small engine....I wouldnt think it would work.

If you are never on the road can you get a bigger engine cheaply? say 1600cc or something?

The serious off roaders Ive met go for a) and run retreads with big V patterns, tubes and clamps to hold the tyres on the rim when at low pressure.

I run Hankook Dynamic MTs for the road/casual mud bath, I will replace them when worn I think they have done me well.

regards

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Hey Steven,
Yeah I'm looking at putting a different engine in (further down the track). My old man is a towie so has a lot of them go through his yards, so I can probably buy something off an insurance company or something as it comes through. That's a little further down the track at the moment though.

I'm not sure whether to go for narrow or wide things. I can see what you're saying. Wide fat things don't put as much pressure down on the tread, so you may not get as much purchase on the ground... but if they're wider you do kind of float over the top a bit more (which I think is supposed to be half the point of the little suzukis). Most of the ones I saw at the Manukau clubs comp the other weekend had pretty wide things on them.

I run Peralli Scopian Muds on my Vitara 31 10.5 15. Never been stuck, but did float off down stream, Resulted in a new car...

I'd look to see who's winning and what they have, its usually a good indicator of the way to go but if everyone is wide that might be lemming and not because it works best. Lots of ppl I find do the lemming thing, like hand loading prove it for yourself.

I dont bother much with "real" 4wding these days, I use it to get where I need/want to go....my truck is dinged enough as it is which reminds me I need a new mirror.....doh...

:oh noes:

........not to mention the cost, seems to compete these days in just about anything you need lots of $s.

NB wide flat things, I wonder on the grip....float could mean float anywhere on the mud in an un-controlled manner.....like I said I need a new mirror.....

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Originally Posted by bsa89

Hi all, I had borrowed maxxis mudder buckshots on my terrano for 2 or so years, never had any problems with traction while hunting or pushing up bush tracks, did get stuck in some serious stuff when mucking around though. Did about 50,000km and they were only half worn, quiet and good handling on the road too. plus they are cheep to buy especially if you know a mechanic or tyre fitter.

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Nic had those on his for a while too.