Wow, that's still over a L more than the Ranger.
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Wow, that's still over a L more than the Ranger.
Maybe, but I don't really hold back on the ranger - it's usually towing something unmentionable (including a hilux once). It's not there because it's pretty - it's there because it's a better tow vehicle. I actually don't really like quite a few things about it but if I was to replace it now the only real option I have is either a truck or a V6 ranger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohawk .308
Quite interesting, my 2021 sits on exactly 10l/100km with 2 ladders and conduit tube on the roof. Apparently they don't cause as much drag as I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
Mines at 9.7 but drive it like a nana
Not even bedded in just over 2000km
Mines at 12 litres.. done 50000kms never reset.. that includes towing float weekly. And boat etc....
Can drive to chch and get the trip reading to under 9.. but the overall average is 12.0/100.. and I have all the same mods as you.... I had a 2016 that sat at 10.2/100.. then got the 2020 and gained 2 litres fuel use...
Haven't even done 500km yet and 2022 Fortuner doing 9.6L/100. Obviously no towing yet however mixed city, open road and intentionally varying rpm and speed/load frequently. Happy so far.
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My 2018 flatdeck Hilux has done 60,000km. Never reset the consumption gauge and it's 9.7l/100km. Occasionally tow the digger or a trailer.
buy a toyota and you get what you pay for
My next door neighbour has a relatively new Nissan Ute and reckons he gets 6.5 on a trip, but really hungry around town.Quote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
I went from Tauranga to Palmy the other weekend unloaded, hardly got over 100 kph, old age, and bloody traffic!
Averaged 8.4 one way and 8.5 going home. This is an old 3.2, 2013 Ranger, light foot on the pedal makes a different, usually about 9 litre per 100.
I believe later models like their fuel.
Yep - that tallies with what mine does (2013 3.2L PXII manual). Currently longterm average is 8.7L/100Km - this is a lot of towing and a lot of around town. Mine in the same role as a few other guys utes has been far the most economical vehicle - in some cases by 2-3L/100Km.
I am really quite interested to find out what the new V6 rangers are doing though, they are reported to be better than the early Rangers but with the same get up and go as the later 3.2's. Mate with a 2.2L Wildtrack is looking to flick it for a V6 Ranger - but the waiting list...
Recently bought the PX4 V6 Sport. Went from a 3.2 PX3. Fuel consumption is down by about 0.5L/100km but it's early days and I have not taken a canopy with this one. The wife is driving a 2.2 biturbo PX3 v2. It's a nice ute too but nothing like the V6. The V6 will eat my last 3.2 even after it had the computer re-mapped. I've driven Rangers and Couriers of every kind my entire career and the latest version is massively better than any of the past versions. I've never had anything but total reliability from Ford. YMMV but if not think there's anything close to the new Ranger other than the Chev Silverado and there's a lot of tin between the two. I drove a Ram in the US early 2000's and that's a mistake I'd not make again (but supposedly they are making a better truck now, they couldn't make one worse I'm sure of that)Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
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Forum deal? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan F
My 3.2 px3 Ranger has done 60K in 2 years and is sitting on 10.4.
I've been a bit of a ute whore, driven everything at some stage or another short of the merc, the latest isuzu/mazda and maybe one or two others. I still think the PXII is one of the best combinations of touchscreen free interior, go and economy. Interior plastics are crap, but the ability to toggle the damn bleeps and wife alarms off is great.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
Re: reliability... Mine has a rooted SCV at the moment, which has created a few interesting issues that Ford weren't able to diagnose it seems. I haven't done much about it so far - just been datalogging the fault and looking at what it's doing to a few of the fuel systems. The injection pump and injectors etc are all working well, it is the SCV refusing to open fast enough and not dumping pressure out of the fuel rail that is giving the problems for me. I would be interested to know how many owners in the same situation have paid $8K for a complete replacement of the injection system when they don't need to... Also, mine has been through several in tank lift pump/sender units, fault being the thing runs noisily 60 seconds after startup which seems to be related to the SCV not shutting off properly after start up which makes the ECU think it's not producing sufficient pressure. Dataloggers are gold for these things, you can see exactly what they are doing if you know where to look haha.
2013 is px1Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
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Originally Posted by No.3
Scv has nothing to do will dumping rail pressure
Does when the thing won't open and you throttle off going over the top of a hill so that commanded pressure drops to idle but the fuel rail pressure stays up at close to 2000Bar. I've got screenshots of it from the datalogger - it isn't releasing the supplied fuel to the injection pump as I understand it, the only device downstream on the rail is a fuel rail pressure sensor. It's enough of a fault to trigger P0089 "fuel rail pressure out of specification" DTC and a yellow "check powertrain" light, which displays for about 5 seconds then self extinguishes once the pressures correct and everything catches up. The biggest problem is about 30seconds after the dash light extinguishes the arse of a thing drops into limp mode, 2000RPM limit which usually occurs when you are in front of a fully loaded logging truck. The other possible issues are a buggered injection pump, leaking injectors or an air leak - there isn't any air in the system on clear hose test from the last investigation, injection pump appears fine as the issue is too much pressure and the injector duty cycles are fine. It starts and runs better than the one with a fully replaced injection pump, rail and set of injectors that it was compared too as the 'control' apart from the intermittent fault...Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange308
And no for this one too, one of the first of the PXII series (or the data plate is wrong - quite possible with Ford).Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange308
Rite the s in scv is for suction, it is pre high pump pressure, works totally opposite to the way you are thinking
Your data logger may not be fast enough operating speed to see the whole picture
And 13 is two full years before the mk1 face lift let alone mk2 but sweet as
Dragging up an older thread to see if others fuel consumption has improved over time?
I have a 2022 one that’s got close to 25 thousand on the clock now. The computer thingy says I’m averaging 8.9 l/100km and I’ve never reset it. At least 5000k of that would be towing a boat and a fair bit of off-road work as well. The factory tires will need replacing soon with something decent, maybe bigger, so it will be interesting to see what happens to my fuel consumption.
Fuel consumption definitely drops as you clock up more kms and engine wears in. I might be up to 30thou in a 2022 auto. Also have a 2023 hilux manual work ute and at the moment its using more diesel then my auto only done 5000km in it so far fuel consumption has improved. you do give up looking at fuel consumption:)
Still would never own another manual ute
Having owned toyotas most of my life(after they stopped making real cars etc) Ive found that they do tend to be a bit on the thirstyier side but they make up for it in reliability and resale value.
Dragging this back up from the dead - replaced the fuel pressure modulation valve (what is commonly called the SCV) and yep that's the cause of the fault. Bosch uses the SCV to control pressure delivered by the injection pump to the rail - that's why in their lingo it's called a fuel pressure modulation valve and not a suction control valve. It took a look at the Bosch schematic of the system for me to understand the difference there, between the injection pump and the common rail the only item that exists is the 'SCV' valve which on the schematic is labelled the 'Fuel Pressure Modulation Valve' so this is the only thing that can control fuel rail pressure. Very definitely the cause of the fault, not only did it fix the limp mode issues I was having it also fixed a few other issues like running on after key off and occasional hard starting. I've got the old valve sitting there, at some stage I'll open it up for a post mortem and see what's died in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange308
This ute is definitely PXII on the data plate - it has the 3500Kg tow rating (PXI were all 3250Kg as I understand it and Ford needed to change model classification to change the towbar rating - 3500Kg was a requirement for this vehicle for me purchasing it and the earlier version didn't have this). I hear what you are saying re the facelift, the facelift PXII's were 2014 model year onwards. There was about three minor changes between PXI and PXIII that didn't get a change in designation, a couple of internal freshen ups and the facelift.
Re: the datalogger, this thing is settable for it's sampling rate down to something like 20 or 30 times a second - problem is you can't store the data it generates at that sampling rate. The good thing with the fault I had is that it was very slow in terms of drop of pressure in the common rail in that the fuel modulation valve wasn't opening when the ECU demanded it which meant the "Fuel Rail Pressure Demanded" line from the ECU dropped to something like 1000Bar but the "Fuel Rail Pressure Actual" stayed much higher up near 2000Bar before slowly dropping back. "Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Volts" (the actual raw readout in volts from the common rail pressure sensor) reflected the fuel rail pressure actual as it should have - the one thing I couldn't get was the duty cycle for the modulation valve and that's me not being able to find the code for the readout from the ECU not because the gear couldn't pull it off. This setup is able to do everything if not more than Ford's gear including coding replacement injectors and other offsets as well as the usual reading resetting or acknowledging DTC's - but I can tell you my confidence is far more of a limiting factor haha. No intention of bricking my vehicle through ignorance thats for sure!
My manual 2021 flat deck double cab diesel Hilux has just done 37020 Kms & is sitting on 8.4 litres per 100 kms for its entire life with an average speed of only 39 kph
I use 4wd when ever on a gravel road which is often
I haven't seen an auto one come even close to that economy for its life & average speed, not surprising given how much the converter slips ,
Mine is happy enough at 54kph in 5 gear, 65 in 6th
I am extremely reluctant to get an auto Hilux
My new Toyota started off around 11.5L/100km, then I put some heavy mud tyres on it, and it went to 12.5L/100km, which is about what I expected. 6000km later, it heading back towards 12L/100km, mix of loaded and towing, off-road loaded and regular unladen road driving. It doesn’t have a fuel consumption computer, so I keep a log of usage every time I fill up.
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Mines an auto, if I didn’t do the km towing and gravel roads that I do then I might get close to those results?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
I’m not sure what decent tires will do to those consumption figures though.
I wasn’t sold on the auto transmission but now I can't see myself going back to a manual one.
That is my experience with the manual 3.2L Ranger too, currently sitting between 8.4 and 8.5L/100Km whereas the auto's in similar useage are 10-11L/100 or more. Mine is lifted about 20mm on the front and about 50mm at the back with a 7-leaf high load spring pack and has a canopy so at factory height with no canopy I'd be expecting in the high 7's. Note the figures from when the high lift springs went in the back and before I lifted the front to balance and drag the front end back into the factory range were high 6's and low 7L/100Km! Just a bloody shame the ute wasn't driveable and behaved like a widowmaker...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Done 40k in my hilux now. I’ll never be going back to a Manual. Less the extra fuel consumption it’s just so much nicer to use in every way. Open road with no towing I get about 10.3 per 100 but mix in town and what not it’s about 10.5. That’s setup with the lift, bull bars, winch, bigger tyres etc etc. Loving it, great truck.
keep a good eye on tyre pressures.
