New Ute Dilemma

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Originally Posted by Maxx

@Flyblown

Does that mean you'd be goosy about the new Amarok V6 diesels as well?

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Anything with VW on it scares me, rather have a Ford, plus they’re cheaper:D

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Originally Posted by Jus

I have the 04 zd30, they don’t get stuck. As far as gutless, they are a little detuned from factory I think, probably because they come out turbo with no intercooler. There is a heap of mods to do that will up the power, but makes it technically illegal. Mine has no cat converter and is free flow from turbo back, egr is deleted, the butterfly setup that goes with it is re vacuumed to open permanently instead of rev activated, I have a remapped computer for it. It goes a noticeable 15-20 % better than stock. The Aussie blokes intercool, high flow turbo and that seems to get them really cranking. Doesn’t take away from the fact that you have to do al this to a factory vehicle in order to get half decent performance

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NADS - Nissan Anti-Detonation System... A 7-step process to help prevent your ZD30 from lunching itself!!!

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Originally Posted by Flyblown

I wouldn’t touch that engine with a bargepole. The idea of being caught with one of those out of warranty would fill me with utter dread.

The Ranger 3.0 V6 is the “Powerstroke” American evolution of the Ford / PSA Lion series engine used in the Land Rovers and Jaguars that was so disastrous reliability wise, with a shocking rate of catastrophic engine failures. You can spend an entire day watching / reading about that particular debacle. Ford’s Dagenham manufacturing plant and the various parts suppliers came in for scathing criticism for the amount of serious breakages - snapped cranks, all sorts.

When Ford took the Lion engine to America, Ford America redesigned the bottom end in an effort to fix these problems. It was sold in the F150 for a very short period of time before it was abruptly discontinued for reasons that Ford didn’t really discuss. Probably because it simply wasn’t popular, but it also had lots of niggly problems (not unusual for American engines).

The Powerstroke is still relatively unproven in terms of high mileage reliability. Definitely not for me no matter how smooth and powerful. If it was going to be my forever ute I’d want something that’s got a lot more / better reputation behind it.

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Interesting side line that little discussion - the 3.2L 5 cylinder is apparently a Peugeot derivative of a Renault design, and the V6 is apparently another derivative of a different Renault design also with some Peugeot mixed in there somewhere. Apparently the peoples in the Renault design department went OTT on the designing side of diesel engines and tied up a heap of patents.

The new Amarok is the new ranger v6 motor. Some thing

I have a 2018 MQ Triton, while cheaper than the Ranger, Hilux, Colorado and D-Max you seem to get fleeced by servicing costs. In
saying that I don’t know what the servicing costs are of other Utes.

As an example mine just went in for its 90,000km service (which is a big one), $1,200 later. I think the service before that was $900. I’d be curious to know what others pay for other models as a comparison.

we pay that every year to keep up to WOF with an older terrano.

Same year as @Andrew46826 but Mazda bt50 basically a ford. 3 years fixed cost at $200, now it's closer to $5-600, 110,000 was belts etc and was $900. However I have now discovered there's a gold card discount of 15%

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Originally Posted by Maxx

@Flyblown

Does that mean you'd be goosy about the new Amarok V6 diesels as well?

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Even longer bargepole required.

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Originally Posted by Flyblown

Even longer bargepole required.

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But I'm sure the TV ad said they were the thinking man's ute ?

Thinking WHY? :D

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Originally Posted by Maxx

But I'm sure the TV ad said they were the thinking man's ute ?

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The thinking man doesn’t have commercial TV and definitely does not watch adverts.

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Originally Posted by Andrew46826

I have a 2018 MQ Triton, while cheaper than the Ranger, Hilux, Colorado and D-Max you seem to get fleeced by servicing costs. In
saying that I don’t know what the servicing costs are of other Utes.

As an example mine just went in for its 90,000km service (which is a big one), $1,200 later. I think the service before that was $900. I’d be curious to know what others pay for other models as a comparison.

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Here's the servicing fees for all Toyotas and what gets done
https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset..._menu_2023.pdf

https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset...dule__2022.pdf

https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset...edule-2022.pdf

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Originally Posted by uk_exile

Here's the servicing fees for all Toyotas and what gets done
https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset..._menu_2023.pdf

https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset...dule__2022.pdf

https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset...edule-2022.pdf

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Can also save a bit by prepaying for services when you buy the vehicle.


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Originally Posted by Flyblown

The thinking man doesn’t have commercial TV and definitely does not watch adverts.

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Can I like this comment more than once?

Mate of mine has run D Max for years. Until he retired recently he did a lot of DOC contracts and also hunting. He tows a big boat and works them hard but always services on time. A suggestion no matter what you get Thar, consider putting a catch can on the engine to prevent carbon build up in your EGR valve and inlet manifold. Good luck with your decision.

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Just go full Philipo and get a Dodge Ram

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Yuk
F150 is where it's at.

I would suggest getting in and test driving the ones you are looking at, and making a decision from there.
I just traded my 2015 Dmax in on a new one after 112k trouble free motoring, was even on the original battery.

Update. I have kept the current Ranger. 105,000 k now.

There was some great advice, thanks.

I like the newish Cooper RT's its got on it. It's got a good bull bar. Big costs to add to a new vehicle.
It's already got marks and dents-things I really fret about with a new vehicle. I put big K's on my utes so a new one would be like this one in a year anyway.
I'm not ready to spend $30K for a change over - especially with the cost of being dragged to the UK for 6 weeks soon
There is so much more I need to spend money on - not just toys - but I like toys. The cost of living (especially in Wellington) has got out of hand.
If I need to I can still replace the Ranger but in the mean time Im happy watching my Kiwi saver go up at last and I will keep trucking on.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Tahr

Update. I have kept the current Ranger. 105,000 k now.

There was some great advice, thanks.

I like the newish Cooper RT's its got on it. It's got a good bull bar. Big costs to add to a new vehicle.
It's already got marks and dents-things I really fret about with a new vehicle. I put big K's on my utes so a new one would be like this one in a year anyway.
I'm not ready to spend $30K for a change over - especially with the cost of being dragged to the UK for 6 weeks soon
There is so much more I need to spend money on - not just toys - but I like toys. The cost of living (especially in Wellington) has got out of hand.
If I need to I can still replace the Ranger but in the mean time Im happy watching my Kiwi saver go up at last and I will keep trucking on.

Thanks

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That's very much the same place I've ended up in. I just can't see the advantage of changing the thing out at the moment - I can get it serviced cheaper than at the dealer service agent elsewhere and with better service (they actually do what they've been asked to do and are happy to prove it, and also much less attitude) all with a cheaper price. Current place doesn't have complementary coffee though.

Everyone saying what about the warranty - well when things got technical/difficult with my current vehicle the dealer service people walked away (twice), this isn't only my experience and notably it's over several different brands so the warranties aren't worth shite apparently. It's far easier to get action when you buy privately rather than as a business - you don't have the CGA protection as a business. Makes you think twice about the purchase decision I can tell you.

our 3 year old dmax is having its new starter motor installed as i type this. turns out its a bit of an issue

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Originally Posted by Tahr

Update. I have kept the current Ranger. 105,000 k now.

There was some great advice, thanks.

I like the newish Cooper RT's its got on it. It's got a good bull bar. Big costs to add to a new vehicle.
It's already got marks and dents-things I really fret about with a new vehicle. I put big K's on my utes so a new one would be like this one in a year anyway.
I'm not ready to spend $30K for a change over - especially with the cost of being dragged to the UK for 6 weeks soon
There is so much more I need to spend money on - not just toys - but I like toys. The cost of living (especially in Wellington) has got out of hand.
If I need to I can still replace the Ranger but in the mean time Im happy watching my Kiwi saver go up at last and I will keep trucking on.

Thanks

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Shit you're not planning on retiring are ya?

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Originally Posted by 308

Shit you're not planning on retiring are ya?

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never happen :)