Thread: Petrol V EV technolgy from America

From a Motorhome page on FB came across this video



Interesting comparison of a GMC V8 petrol truck V the Ford 150 Lightning EV towing identical caravans.

Basically the EV used 1% per mile and the GMC ran 8.9MPG and remember US gallons are different to ours.

The charging time would be killer on long trips 45mins to get 75 miles (120kms) of range would be a total nightmare.
Most places in NZ you'd be hard pressed to find such nice straight roads with minimal incline, add in some hills like you'd be driving down SH1 from Hamilton south and it'd be even worse.
Range gets killed by the cold also so worst case scenario would be bloody awful.
6000lbs is only 2700kg so it's to a ridiculous load, considering a typical NZ/AU diesel 4x4/ute would be at worst 20l/100kms (about 11.76 US MPG) the case for an electric work vehicle just doesn't add up.

I was suprised to see it cost them $27 to charge from 9% to 74%.
In NZ money 66% charge (of a 131kW battery at $0.30 per kW) would cost $26, which got them about 66miles, works out to be $24 per 100km.
Diesel at its current crazy prices is roughly $2.80/Litre, using the worst case scenario of 20l/100km works out to be $56 per 100km.
Using a more realistic 14l/100kms would be $40 per 100km.
Using a previously high diesel price ($1.50/Litre) at 14L/100km works out at $21 per 100km.

I've left out RUCs becasue EVs will start paying these too sometime in the near future.

If you are worried abotu the cost of fuel and commute less than 100km a day then just buy a used Nissan Leaf for commuiting and keep the Land Crusier for long trips.
The current cost of fuel makes an EV ute/truck seem quite appealing, but if that comes with the massive inconvience of 45minutes of charging every 120km then that just wont cut it.

EV's should pay higher road tax as they are heavier therefore more road wear.
i have repaired a few now, never will i touch a tesla again!! what a POS

Originally Posted by gonetropo

EV's should pay higher road tax as they are heavier therefore more road wear.
i have repaired a few now, never will i touch a tesla again!! what a POS

I thought EVs didn't have any parts to break?
I was lead to believe the only parts on a car that need maintenance are the engine and gearbox....

Originally Posted by gonetropo

EV's should pay higher road tax as they are heavier therefore more road wear.
i have repaired a few now, never will i touch a tesla again!! what a POS

Really?? I'm thinking about getting an ev to go to work in. Its just getting too damn expensive to driver everyday. My fuel bill is now up to $32.95 per day fuel cost only. I used to be able to do the same trip for $20. ( I work a 4 on 4 off roster)

cost of fuel will stop me working there for much longer I think. Cant justify losing $250 per fortnight just in gas.

Does anyone have anything good to say about any E/V's on the market??

Yep friends have done just that kept the Mazda suv for trips out of town and a used leaf for work, have saved heaps on fuel as always charge at home overnight but it was the $20k for a vehicle that does less than 150km on a charge that made me think they were mad.

Used EV's certainly have their place I don't deny that, but if your return trip to work is more than 75Km each way with no charging port at work probably not for you

This guy makes a pretty compelling argument for the hybrid. Theres just too much BS around EV's, I dont think they are all they are cracked up to be.

Originally Posted by tac a1

Really?? I'm thinking about getting an ev to go to work in. Its just getting too damn expensive to driver everyday. My fuel bill is now up to $32.95 per day fuel cost only. I used to be able to do the same trip for $20. ( I work a 4 on 4 off roster)

cost of fuel will stop me working there for much longer I think. Cant justify losing $250 per fortnight just in gas.

Does anyone have anything good to say about any E/V's on the market??

Nissan leaf is the most trouble free when bought from new.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I thought EVs didn't have any parts to break?
I was lead to believe the only parts on a car that need maintenance are the engine and gearbox....

tui commercial time...yeah right

have to admit the leaf s the best made i have worked on so far, however early models to not have a battery cooling/heating system so wont handle temperature extremes without a serious loss in battery life and performance.
hyundai comes in pretty good too but does have battery temp control
wouldnt have either though
teslas are a pure POS, bad manufacture, bad build quality, awful backup service and unreliable

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I thought EVs didn't have any parts to break?
I was lead to believe the only parts on a car that need maintenance are the engine and gearbox....

Imagine if Land Rover made an electric car, it'd be the Revenge of The Prince of Darkness

Originally Posted by Kopua Cowboy

Imagine if Land Rover made an electric car, it'd be the Revenge of The Prince of Darkness

i'm sure they could still make it leak oil

on a serious note euro cars use lead free solder, its brittle as hell and "spiders" after awhile. i spent 6 hours soldering a bmw computer together as nz roads just vibrate them apart.

I have a comprehensive spreadsheet that has variables updated monthly to solve for the point in time at which it is economical for us to replace my wife’s 2009 Toyota Highlander 3.5L V6, which we have owned since new. Initially on a company sponsored (very heavily discounted) novated lease, at the end of which we bought the car for next to bugger all.

The spreadsheet analyses the whole of cost of ownership of the old car versus two options, a new Corolla Hybrid and a generic EV (which I select manually each month based on what’s going on in the market as it is changing so quickly.)

The speed at which the gap has closed between keeping the old car (for years a no brainer) to a replacement being more economical is quite frightening, hardly surprising.

But the fact is we are still not quite there yet. It is still more economic for us to keep the big car. Plus the intangible feeling of improved safety by being at least as big and heavy as all the Ute drivers we share the road with around here. The towing part is the bit that annoys the fuck out of me because it’s hard to factor in to the equation. It is an irregular activity with this particular car, but when we do it we’re generally towing something quite big and heavy which would be beyond a small hatchback.

i’ll tell you something for free, when we looked at the long-term service life of this vehicle we did not anticipate $3.10 for 91 in 2022.

Do you have a column for RUC for the EV?? Its coming early 2024, and will be the same as all small diesels. $76/1,000 km or some such

Yup