Petrol V EV technolgy from America

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Originally Posted by XR500

Wife's friend has a PHEV, purchased for her by hubby. They were talking about range (as you do) and when wifie asked her how far she got out of a charge, she said, "no, it only charges the battery when you go down hill or brake". Wifie then told her what the P in PHEV stood for.

Owned for 7 months, and an otherwise intelligent person didn't understand how the vehicle worked FFS!!!!:omg:

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And that there is one of the main stumbling blocks that people report with EV's. Someone gets distracted, forgets to plug the thing in or there's a power interruption and hullo, no go car. Hybrid of whatever sort seems like the most useable option if you're slighty out of town and your only option is personal car transport. Little less of a show stopper in and urban area with bus routes, uber, lime scooters blah blah.

The other issue I see, is if you are in the position of having to do multiple short trips over a day where the destination doesn't have charging facilities - and you aren't at home long enough to charge enough to keep the thing going. Volunteer fireys, mums shifting kids, self employed running dropoffs - its a bit of a pain...

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Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Care to share some enlightenment, I would much rather have an EV but don't have $20k to spend on one. Have never owned any vehicle except for current one that I got before EVs were a thing that cost more than $10k

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Ditto. I drive a 2005 Mitsubishi Airtrek 2.4L that cost me $1800, which is very comfortable, flies through every WOF, and never misses a beat. On price alone, an EV is not an option, for me. As an aside, with diesel only 10c a litre cheaper than 91, where I live, are they economical now?

The extra cost of RUC does push them a little more expensive, but cost of servicing there really isn't much in it now I find with dealer servicing cost mostly dependant on the oil capacity of the engine and numbers of filters and other hangers on changed out.

Diesels hands down are cheaper for towing.

EV's are gonna get a whole lot more expensive, which will defeat the premise that they will become affordable enough for everyone to transition to them.

Lithium metal has increased in price 6 fold since the beginning of the year (10K USD/Tonne now 62K USD/Tonne). It went to 78K USD/Tonne in April but has dropped back down a bit.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...climate-change

Like coal. Ex Indo, US$65 a ton has now shot up to roughly US$390. Ouch.

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

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teslas are a pure POS, bad manufacture, bad build quality, ..

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Well the US-assembled ones often were. The Chinese-assembled ones are far better. My son has had a Tesla3 for about a year now. Quite impressive actually and this is grudgingly from someone who owns two FOG vehicles (Fuck off Greta, as in guzzler petrols). The Tesla has had zero probs so far and he's done long trips in it with the family. Last one was H Bay to Rotovegas and round a bit, using free chargers in Taupo and plugging into the wall at the Roto motel. Total "fuel" cost $18 for the trip and he's not into economy driving styles.

teslas are awful no matter where they are made.

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

teslas are awful no matter where they are made.

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For what reasons? Price excluded. Can't wait for mine

Badly made. Unreliable. Crap backup

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Originally Posted by XR500

EV's are gonna get a whole lot more expensive, which will defeat the premise that they will become affordable enough for everyone to transition to them.

Lithium metal has increased in price 6 fold since the beginning of the year (10K USD/Tonne now 62K USD/Tonne). It went to 78K USD/Tonne in April but has dropped back down a bit.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...climate-change

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same as nickel last few years peaked at 21,000 recently - all adds to the cost of EV's - until they come up with a solid state battery that can charge 80% in 5-10 minutes ev's will never be the solution

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

Badly made. Unreliable. Crap backup

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My son is clearly one of the lucky ones then :P

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Originally Posted by 6x47

My son is clearly one of the lucky ones then :P

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Probably fine if its under warranty, as soon as warranty's run out on tesla's your in for some fun times - No aftermarket parts, reports from several usa based youtubers about how pricey and expensive they are when out of warranty are easy to find
and its usually paints a dismal picture- also in NZ there are buggerall service centers for them 1 in Auck, Chch, Well. Because it has to be done with tesla not anyone else unless you want to void the warranty, just ring the service center and ask for a
quote on a new battery and the timeframe to install if you want some entertainment

interesting reading of reviews of tesla service and its mostly in the USA not even is NZ which no dought will take longer and be worse
https://nz.trustpilot.com/review/www.teslamotors.com

Not to mention a wiring loom that makes old Alfas look good

I thought they'd just have two fat welding cables from the battery to the motor and a big old knife switch in place of the handbrake to make it go!?:omg: