Thread: Slow learners???

Lived up the Motu for 50 years, but use a petrol vehicle for fording streams. Then when that failed.....purchased a hybrid and rooted the battery, again fording streams


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bay-of...PJPGDYTD6PHOA/

The pic of the car a couple of years ago doesnt even have a snorkel. Without sounding silly, if that was me I'd have had a 4wd with a snorkel fitted from day one.
The pic is the classic just over the headlight but may have been higher

I just about got sweep away in that crossing one night coming back from a hunt, Lucky to come out the over side

Electric + water, what can go wrong.

In actual fact, this is a great example of the issues with current hybrids - it does not take much to go wrong to make a perfectly good vehicle a technical write off just because the cost of repair exceeds the practical value of the vehicle. A nice little outlander 4x4 PHEV and one little splash oh golly worth more than the car to replace the battery!

How many utes and 4x4's out there are in the situation of being technical write offs due to flooding damage where just because it's not 'claimed' they haven't been written off? It's a fairly blunt rule from my experience, say a Ford Everest that was written off for flood damage when the internals weren't wet and the water line was well below the practical and advertised 700mm wading depth... I just reckon the owner thought it was time for a change, buying a write off 'flood damaged' vehicle for under $10K when the lot value is over $50K seems a good deal to me even if cert costs and replacing the ecu's and sensors pops it out to $20K...

Originally Posted by No.3

Electric + water, what can go wrong.

In actual fact, this is a great example of the issues with current hybrids - it does not take much to go wrong to make a perfectly good vehicle a technical write off just because the cost of repair exceeds the practical value of the vehicle. A nice little outlander 4x4 PHEV and one little splash oh golly worth more than the car to replace the battery!

How many utes and 4x4's out there are in the situation of being technical write offs due to flooding damage where just because it's not 'claimed' they haven't been written off? It's a fairly blunt rule from my experience, say a Ford Everest that was written off for flood damage when the internals weren't wet and the water line was well below the practical and advertised 700mm wading depth... I just reckon the owner thought it was time for a change, buying a write off 'flood damaged' vehicle for under $10K when the lot value is over $50K seems a good deal to me even if cert costs and replacing the ecu's and sensors pops it out to $20K...

There is a lot to replace ...
https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt....er-damage#tab2

Originally Posted by Shamus_

There is a lot to replace ...
https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt....er-damage#tab2

That's my point - how many of the utes etc get 'flooded' during normal work and or play, which should cause a technical write off but just drive away and open the doors, let the water out and let the thing air dry out over a few weeks to carry on with no issues???

Originally Posted by No.3

Electric + water, what can go wrong.

In actual fact, this is a great example of the issues with current hybrids - it does not take much to go wrong to make a perfectly good vehicle a technical write off just because the cost of repair exceeds the practical value of the vehicle. A nice little outlander 4x4 PHEV and one little splash oh golly worth more than the car to replace the battery!

How many utes and 4x4's out there are in the situation of being technical write offs due to flooding damage where just because it's not 'claimed' they haven't been written off? It's a fairly blunt rule from my experience, say a Ford Everest that was written off for flood damage when the internals weren't wet and the water line was well below the practical and advertised 700mm wading depth... I just reckon the owner thought it was time for a change, buying a write off 'flood damaged' vehicle for under $10K when the lot value is over $50K seems a good deal to me even if cert costs and replacing the ecu's and sensors pops it out to $20K...

I know a call out guy who got called to a new hatchback (well known 'flash ' brand) that had broken down. They had gone through some water attempting to get in their driveway and have "over estimated " the capability of their hatch. Well he checked the engine and water had been sucked into the air intake and fuel system, so engine will not be turning over anytime soon. She asked how to get it out of the entrance to the driveway....Answer tow?. How do I get a two truck in front of it to tow it? Answer- Unsure- How easy is it to get it into neutral- Answer Not without the engine running. Electronic shifter(?) means new safety protocol requires engine to be running before you can select neutral- I am glad most of my vehicles have 6 month WOFs...It means they are made of fixibles rather than replaceables.....

Originally Posted by timattalon

I know a call out guy who got called to a new hatchback (well known 'flash ' brand) that had broken down. They had gone through some water attempting to get in their driveway and have "over estimated " the capability of their hatch. Well he checked the engine and water had been sucked into the air intake and fuel system, so engine will not be turning over anytime soon. She asked how to get it out of the entrance to the driveway....Answer tow?. How do I get a two truck in front of it to tow it? Answer- Unsure- How easy is it to get it into neutral- Answer Not without the engine running. Electronic shifter(?) means new safety protocol requires engine to be running before you can select neutral- I am glad most of my vehicles have 6 month WOFs...It means they are made of fixibles rather than replaceables.....

Im was told the new Ibooboo trucks have a gearbox destruction button...for just that senario...the boss decided he best get it disconnected as he KNEW someone would just have to try it to see..apparently it breaks something major at flick of a switch..so assumably it must be connected to some serious power source that just sits there waiting like a time bomb!!! dumbest thing Ive ever heard of in a heavy truck.

I call BS on that article.

All car owners commute less that 80kms per day and do 100% city driving.
Electric cars are perfect for NZ condtions.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I call BS on that article.

All car owners commute less that 80kms per day and do 100% city driving.
Electric cars are perfect for NZ condtions.

they certainly have their uses though. a colleague has a hybrid ford transit. costs a pittance to charge it and must have saved the boss thousands on diesel in the time it has been in use. Granted he does only work at one place so no long trips all the time. however the savings and practicality if the circumstances are right are quite good.

you would think after 50 years of crossing the ford....they wouldnt be facing UPSTREAM aiming at a small shear bank....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

you would think after 50 years of crossing the ford....they wouldnt be facing UPSTREAM aiming at a small shear bank....

Micky if its the crossing i thinking it is its the way the road goes into it, Depends where they had driven from. Gisborne to crossing maybe hour and half drive so they might have thought we will give this a crack. Also after 50 years they should know what this ford is like and having a concrete bottom it still would have been to deep and still would have gravel banks.
I think more to the point these electric vehicles while all good in the major centers like Auckland etc are not so suited to All people in NZ

Originally Posted by bigbear

Micky if its the crossing i thinking it is its the way the road goes into it, Depends where they had driven from. Gisborne to crossing maybe hour and half drive so they might have thought we will give this a crack. Also after 50 years they should know what this ford is like and having a concrete bottom it still would have been to deep and still would have gravel banks.
I think more to the point these electric vehicles while all good in the major centers like Auckland etc are not so suited to All people in NZ

look at first photo..you can clearly see sheer bank on right side of car that looks to be 10-12" high and it showing out left of car too..NO WAY IN HELL that vechile would get up that bank even with no water or engine troubles... my point being,they KNEW it was dodgy and didnt even get out and wade it to see... looking to right of car there is gentler sloping gravel exit.....
and I 100% agree electric vechilles arent suited to everyone....arguably stuff all use to anyone long term if the power runs out.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

you would think after 50 years of crossing the ford....they wouldnt be facing UPSTREAM aiming at a small shear bank....

That Motu Rd crossing can get deep.. especially on the RHS heading in.. was a little sketchy last week but have seen it pretty bad. Won't be good for few days now after all the rain we're having

Any body else get the idea they don't want it back on the road. Some of those requirements are over the top.