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Bought a new 115 Evinrude 2020, have had a prob with the tilt slowly lowering when stored in the shed over a couple of weeks, till the Skeg is on the deck and coming under weight. Took it in under warranty and they cannot fault, said Evinrude have a margin the motor will drop when stored. They will investigate further at my expense? Now tell me I’m wrong, but hydraulics don’t move, unless there’s a bypass somewhere? He suggested I store it on the trailer lock. Thoughts please.
Should you not store it in the down position anyway.
That's what I was always told by my boat shop, and travel on the motor bracket so it can't drop.
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Have always stored with the engine in the vertical position except on the mooring where it was locked up due to no water at low tide. Wouldn't expect any "creep" when left up unlocked but never tried it.
I have 2006 Yamaha 70 two stroke. In storage, the motor will creep down in manner you describe. I ‘found’ a plastic road marker that I place between motor leg and power head to stop the annoying sag whilst in shed. My motor has one central hydraulic ram and two small ones, being one each side. Haven’t looked lately, but it appears a seal from one (top of) ram is leaking so if that ram is holding motor up, the pressure within would force oil out. Not a lot, but annoying. I need to make a pronged spanner to fit the ram cap to remove said cap to replace seal.
Caution: in worst case scenario, o/b could leak down and refuse to move up from controls. There is a bleed valve, prob on rhs of leg to undo, thus releasing pressure. You can then manually lift motor up.
I would be pissed if my new motor leaked down like you describe. Suggest you suss for hydraulic oil drips on rams.
Have a 2006 Evinrude 150, 800+ hours and it is stored lowered but not right down or will touch concrete, so maybe 10-12 degree s left?
It seems to sit in that position no problem, probably sat 6 months recently. If it had moved it would have rested skeg on concrete, so don't think a sealed hydraulic unit should really move?
Most outboards have a travel lock you should be able to flip up, or jam a block of wood in there?
agree,was just about to suggest a block of wood....now truck deck hydrolics is interesting one...a LOT of guys store at night with deck slightly up so any water runs off,not this K1W1 to my mind its just putting seals and valves under un necessary load...the two older fert trailers I use daily will creap down ever so slightly if left up with load on board...wouldnt dream of leaving them up overnight,Ive seen what happens when a hose goes suddenly and its not pretty.
Years back I saw advertised a type of sleeve that fits over the ram, apparently better than leaving the motor up on the little metal travel lock.
Not normally supposed to leave rams exposed if you can help it otherwise they can pit, especially on marine hiabs.
I store in the down position, to drain the motor of water? Always have, my old 1997 Johnson V4 never moved on the tiltQuote:
Originally Posted by 25 /08 IMP
In the first instance I wouldn't have expected a new setup to slowly bleed down but I'm not at all familiar with the Evinrude hydraulic system. I can only surmise that if it bleeds down now it will not improve over the service life of the engine.
When sitting in the fully trimmed up position there is going to be pressure behind the tilt ram and to my mind this is never something you want to leave in place for an extended duration. As noted by the collective experience above it just seems logical to store the boat with the motor trimmed down and the skeg resting on a block of wood so the loads are removed from the rams and seals are not left under excesive pressure.
If that ram bleeds down overnight I would investigate further because the last thing you want is for that to happen even more rapidly. That would cause you a number of potential issues in future, the worst of which might be some severe damage to the skeg while towing. I do use the Uplock when towing despite the OEM manual stating its for maintenance purposes. I figure it takes a little load off the primary ram on our rough roads but I have been looking at a better solution. Some of the motor wedges you can buy are shit though, I've seen a few that can actually damage the top wiper seal so thats a waste of time.
Maca, to be honest if it were mine I'd be trying to sort it out. I just hate things like that.
@planenutz I leave the boat in a shed at my bach, I usually leave it just off vertical, unsupported. On average Im there twice a month, in two weeks it will lower approx 20mm, but it continues if left until the skeg has contacted the floor and pre loaded. The repair tech, about 20 yrs old, says Evinrude allow for movement down, but couldnt tell me how much and said he couldnt fault, had it sitting 3 days. I said, if its hydraulic, it should lock and not move, he said that was incorrect. I told him I was a retired Fitter and it must be new thinking with hydraulics, but if it was pneumatic I could understand. I think he is just a kid with no experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by planenutz
To have the engine serviced, as a matter of interest, being the first time from new, about 5 hours on the clock, $440.00 + gst labour plus a few parts and some grease, plus a computer read out on performance. Well first and lst time, theres SFA to do servicing a new outboard?
Id be pissed if my new motor was creeping down.
First service is probably just lots of checks.
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Originally Posted by Maca49
I had my o/b serviced when under warranty but now do it myself by roughly following the checklist in the service manual. I grease nipples, change plugs, replace gear case oil, remove prop and grease spline and check for any general deterioration. I replace impellers on the 70 and aux 8 hp with no issues.
As I lake fish only these days and have two tanks, two batteries and two motors, I reckon I can get home under power…or blow ashore in a worse scenario.
Yeah, but your not a marine technician!Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
I towed it back from Taupo, because of two warranty issues. One the tilt and two the hydraulic steering, which they removed to fit the new motor. They didn’t bleed it correctly an if you pushed the motor right and left, the rod moved in the cylinder. He had a go at that, but couldn’t improve it. He actually did, but think his missed putting the sleeve back in the steering arm and the bolt now slops around. Like many tradesmen, it better to do it yourself and will in the future, as I did with my old outboard for twenty years. I’ll talk to the business owner on Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ingrid 51
Unless this is something with their newer motors mine that has a good old thrashing doesn't do it, had a fairly newish 90 Etec on another boat years ago which I don't recall it doing that, but it may have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Suggest maybe going on the web, if it is an issue with them guaranteed some yank will be bitch'n about it.......there will also be a several with dumb fixes, and one with correct fix.
Just a thought, this motor has an auto trim on it. Take off out of the hole and don’t touch the trim and it will automatically trim the boat for speed and conditions. You can take over anytime you want, great for skiing
Talk to the owner of the business/franchise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
As an X business owner you certainly know how it works.
Give them a chance to make good.
And if not then.....
I agree with Mauser - that first service cost isn't excessive. My Yammy 200 cost a liitle bit more than that (~$550) for the service at 20 hours TSN. The service at 100 hours was about $700 and I watched the guy do the work so I know he did everything. Once its out of warranty I'll be doing it myself. Hell, if I can service a whole helicopter I can surely service an outboard.
Sounds like you have a great setup Maca. Well done. My boat has to sit on the lawn unfortunately.
@Mauser308 sums it up IMO. Definitely store in the fully vertical position if possible , we were living in Arnhem Land on the coast on & off for 12 years, the local community traditional land included a island chain off the coast .They had 14 community owned Yamaha 150's & about the same 25-40's for their tinnies. Yamaha would fly in their top technicians from Oz HO & use it as a field training work shop for their Mech's after having had been caught out with bad service work under warranty before (community was cut off by road during Wet season & only small charter plane access or once a month Barge for supply) . These motors did a lot of hard yards in the humid tropics & long trips along the remote coast line ,from memory they were turned over under contract every 2 yrs or from memory l think it was 2000hrs , but a lot of that was because the heat & humidity played hell with the electrics. We ran a ex community 150 l was given by my "uncle" on my dive boat & the tech always swore by dosing up & vertical storage when in storage once the cyclone season & trade winds hit ,so l have always done the same using Saltaway.
Think Mercury are on top of fully marinising their motors for corrosion was told a few days ago.
Planenutz has a good point where the first place technician should be looking at that relief v/v. Think most outboards have them and think that's how you bleed system on some as well by lowering down with cracked then tighten up.
On the brightside it's probably not much if it's still functioning fine, just annoying when new. Boat places so busy at the moment selling stock they don't even have yet service may have dropped off.
Good outboard mechanics do seem like diamonds though, everyone always bitch'n looking for a new one! ha ha
They should have good back up though on specific problems like that they can go back to manufacturer for advice where to look.
Yep I’ll ring him on Monday, he’s a pretty good mechanic, I think the hired hand was the problemQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Thanks for all the answers, I guess we are all on the same page, hydraulics lock
Hydraulics lock, Yes But !!!!!,
Seals can leak, Does not take much damage to a rod or cylinder bore to cause seal issues.
Most control valves are composed of sliding metal spools with no soft seals, they are a tight fit but have to have enough clearance to allow them to be removed and different logic spools fitted.hence they will have some leakage.
Most cylinders carrying a load subject to gravity will have some form of lock valve fitted. These are effectively zero leakage. (Think Crane, or EWP, but not a single acting truck tipper)
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I guess my one is not the only one that has this problem, I couldn’t be that unlucky? So you would think Evinrude would have an alert and a how to look/fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackson21
Although I once owned a VW golf with very low ks, that the auto had trouble deciding which gear it should be in. Took a week of talking to Germany to get a result and then about a 4 k repair. It was covered by warranty.
I’ve only ever own Johnson’s or Evinrudes, so 6 or seven over my boating life, never had any problems really, all the early yammeys were Johnson copies, parts virtually interchangeable, I think paint colour and name were the major differences. I wanted a 4 stroke this time, but weight and poor performance is still a bit of problem for me, not to mention the dollars. This motor was 13k + gst (runout)over yammy at 23 k. I like this motor, performance is awesome for skiing.Quote:
Originally Posted by hamsav
And guess what, today I put a bit of tension on the leg and it’s moved 7 mms in about 2 hours, so tomorrow I’ll check it again and go see the man. I never thought of giving it a little help, so it got a problem:)
@Maca49 yep well you had better keep on liking it ,l was talking to a mate who is a dive charter op in Oz last night & Yammie announced it is not supplying any larger new motors to anything but new boat buy's/builds packages , for the foreseeable future due to component shortage ,so will be interesting to see how many follow .The Oz pro boat builders are pushing out new inboard designs to future proof themselves ,hate to think what new prices will be once they come back on line.
Yes I read that, going to be like my old Ute, now a money making investment hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by bunji
Yeah it's a bit of a shame Evinrude have got out of it as it's different technology that does offer something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
What I was told is Mercury and Yamaha are just so dominant in marketplace now they got sqeezed out. I've had most brands over the years as what tends to be on the back, 4's & 2's. Find the responsiveness of the 2's are good for water skiing.
Years ago had this big 250 Yamaha 4 stroke behind a Rayglass, used to be big uncomfortable delay after signal then it would either pop you or pull your arms off, 2 stroke more responsive. Maybe the new 4 strokes are better?
Before fly-by wire existed or was common around 10-15 years ago. Rayglass 2300 weight 3.5 ton, was more probably the problem getting that thing moving. Found jetski was the one, can get in nice and shallow where the flat water is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauser308
Long time ago, can't really remember, the subtle difference in acceleration is probably not much but for water skiing seems an eternity. Probably just weight of boat more than anything, as the jetski was 4 stroke used to have instant power, catalyic converter removed. But then you always want more power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauser308
Can remember the 250hp could still scoff juice quite nicely althoughI don't tend to try and travel economically :-), quite happy with my 150hp at the moment with gas prices! Got my 15hp for my dinghy as well, come in handy when ramps choka.
Good outcome sorta! They are putting a warranty claim for a swap out replacement unit:thumbsup:
Nolan at the boat placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mauser308
Finally got an answer from Evinrude on my tilt and trim creeping down when stored. Any opinions, this is the 6th Evinrude or Johnson I’ve owned and the only one that does this trickAttachment 189257
Finally got an answer from Evinrude on my tilt and trim creeping down when stored. Any opinions, this is the 6th Evinrude or Johnson I’ve owned and the only one that does this trickAttachment 189257
It holds trim under propulsion ok, so how does a closed hydraulic system bupass?
Anyone else experienced this? He says it normal?
