Thread: Toyota announced big Landcruiser spec change & price drops in USA

Fell upon this news article. Will equiv of this happen in NZ?
https://www.autoblog.com/2024/02/20/...ation%20charge.

Then today on Stuff. Are these 70 series lower than they used to be?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350...s-ultimate-ute

It's one of the reasons our supplies of anything with the 2.8 engine have gone backwards so I'm told, the Aussies are trying to push customers who have paid a deposit for the V8 cruiser onto either a hilux or the 2.8 version as they just can't confirm what Toyota will be sending them. They've pushed orders back in Aus and still can't confirm delivery dates, and are trying to get as many 2.8 versions as they can (same as everyone else). Fun times...

2.8 isn't a terrible engine, but the main issue with it is the same as everything else with a tiny donkey - just not as polished with heavy towing and heavy loads. That's why people are waiting and hoping for the v8's...

I read somewhere that, OZ has over 2000 orders for V8 pending or maybe just another publicity stunt

Wouldn't surprise me, considering the industry use of them over there.

Originally Posted by uk_exile

Fell upon this news article. Will equiv of this happen in NZ?
https://www.autoblog.com/2024/02/20/...ation%20charge.

Then today on Stuff. Are these 70 series lower than they used to be?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350...s-ultimate-ute

Are the prices lower than last year in nz? No, the LT single cabs that were delivered in May/June of 2023, were ordered on the 2022 pricing. Which was ?$73,490 with $5175 Ute tax on top. So still less than the current price.


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Lots of good reviews on the 2.8.
But I guarantee that when the v8 is eventually phased out they will continue to go up in value. Can't beat the sound of a v8 turbo diesel!

I struggle with the power & torque output comparisons, V8 Manual vs I4 Auto

Engine 4.5 Litre Turbo
Cylinders & Arrangement V8, 32 Valve Quad Cam
Maximum Power 151kW at 3400rpm
Maximum Torque 430Nm at 1200-3200rpm

Engine 2.8 Litre Turbo
Cylinders & Arrangement 4 Cylinder, 16 Valve Double Overhead Cam
Maximum Power 150kW at 3000-3400rpm
Maximum Torque 500Nm at 1600-2800rpm

The Manual Hilux isn't far behind the V8 70 Series ?
Maximum Power 150kW at 3400rpm
Maximum Torque 420Nm at 1400-3400rpm

Auto GR Hilux 2.8 has way more grunt
Maximum Power 165kW at 3000rpm
Maximum Torque 550Nm at 1600-2800rpm

I guess one engine will do 500000 Kms + and the other not so much ????

a 2.8 in a land cruiser they could have just called it something like land cruiser junior or mini cruiser or land cruiser quazi just does not seem right at all

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

a 2.8 in a land cruiser they could have just called it something like land cruiser junior or mini cruiser or land cruiser quazi just does not seem right at all

Funny you should say that, Google the land cruiser 250 series. Jimny sized.

Originally Posted by MSL

Are the prices lower than last year in nz? No, the LT single cabs that were delivered in May/June of 2023, were ordered on the 2022 pricing. Which was ?$73,490 with $5175 Ute tax on top. So still less than the current price.


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Throw up a pic of your one. It's mean.

250 series is the new prado, so hardly jimmy size, call it useful size.

True, they must have changed their minds on it. I see all the jimny references are now 2023 news

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

I struggle with the power & torque output comparisons, V8 Manual vs I4 Auto

Engine 4.5 Litre Turbo
Cylinders & Arrangement V8, 32 Valve Quad Cam
Maximum Power 151kW at 3400rpm
Maximum Torque 430Nm at 1200-3200rpm

Engine 2.8 Litre Turbo
Cylinders & Arrangement 4 Cylinder, 16 Valve Double Overhead Cam
Maximum Power 150kW at 3000-3400rpm
Maximum Torque 500Nm at 1600-2800rpm

The Manual Hilux isn't far behind the V8 70 Series ?
Maximum Power 150kW at 3400rpm
Maximum Torque 420Nm at 1400-3400rpm

Auto GR Hilux 2.8 has way more grunt
Maximum Power 165kW at 3000rpm
Maximum Torque 550Nm at 1600-2800rpm

I guess one engine will do 500000 Kms + and the other not so much ????

There are already huge numbers of very high mileage 1GD-FTVs around the world in all sorts of commercial applications. It’s already 10 years old. The engine is used in Hiace, Hino & Dyna trucks, Coaster buses, others that I can’t remember, as well as what we’re used to with Hilux, Fortuner, Prado. The commercial constant use examples rack up crazy km in a year.

The 1VD single turbo V8 in the Cruiser utes was detuned so much its lazy to the point of being a waste! The twin turbo used in the 200 was a better spec for the displacement, weight and efficiency. Dozens of factory tune examples on YT demonstrating what can be done with the V8 if for some reason its too lazy for you. A lot of over-powered examples with shorter life expectancy… (The 4WD-24x7 guys keep demonstrating how to shorten the life of your Toyota / Nissan - they’ve already fucked two new engine builds in “Sooty” in a year or so…. And that’s with the IL 6cyl! All in the name of chasing more torques.)

The performance of the new Land Cruiser I4 2.8 has been thoroughly tested and the outcomes speak for themselves. The only downside is the higher auto-box first gear in low range, meaning that downhill assist control is required where before no braking at all (optimal) was the preferred option. That’s when the going is very tough, hardly a common occurrence. Overall the spec of the vehicle is an improvement on the V8s by a decent margin, fuel economy being a big deal these days.

I firmly believe that all the hullabaloo about the demise of the V8 will die out and in 5 years it’ll be nowt but a distant memory.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

I firmly believe that all the hullabaloo about the demise of the V8 will die out and in 5 years it’ll be nowt but a distant memory.

Wouldn't surprise me at all especially when you compare the performance figures....

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

I struggle with the power & torque output comparisons, V8 Manual vs I4 Auto

Engine 4.5 Litre Turbo
Cylinders & Arrangement V8, 32 Valve Quad Cam
Maximum Power 151kW at 3400rpm
Maximum Torque 430Nm at 1200-3200rpm

Engine 2.8 Litre Turbo
Cylinders & Arrangement 4 Cylinder, 16 Valve Double Overhead Cam
Maximum Power 150kW at 3000-3400rpm
Maximum Torque 500Nm at 1600-2800rpm

The Manual Hilux isn't far behind the V8 70 Series ?
Maximum Power 150kW at 3400rpm
Maximum Torque 420Nm at 1400-3400rpm

Auto GR Hilux 2.8 has way more grunt
Maximum Power 165kW at 3000rpm
Maximum Torque 550Nm at 1600-2800rpm

I guess one engine will do 500000 Kms + and the other not so much ????

Very detuned stock engine in the cruiser, also very easy to get a lot of power from.
We tow some heavy gear all around with ours, 3.5 tons plus it's pumping 600nm and there not much that slows it down.

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