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Which bullbar would you go with for a new 2021-22 Hilux. Im looking at the genuine Toyota steel bullbar or the ARB summit bullbar. It seems like much of a muchness but there might some more insight out there from others for something I haven't considered.
Not really considering anything else as these two can be put on without effecting the new vehicle warranty. Cheers.
I do like the arb gear and design. Also the how you can get colour coded bars to match truck colour.
Also you might have to upgrade the front springs/shocks for the extra weight of a arb front bar.
There is a 21 hilux on TM at the moment with tjm gear on it.
The rear bumper looks cheap with the check plate and that design of the front bumper looks horrible. I could imagine the sticks and crap that go up through the holes in the front bumper
Also looks like the tax will be about $2900 on the hilux
I’d buy the arb. I liked it over the toyota offering, just seemed better thought out, rather than just looking the part. That was on my 2014 though.
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Colour coded bullbars are for metropolitan namby pambies.
Bullbars are for pushing things. Using as a tool. Standing on. Knocking things over. An early warning system… right where is that wall, ah there it is. They are meant to be powder coated black, or alloy.
Get a winch. There are more uses for winches than winch designers ever realised.
Arbs with a 9000 lb super winch fitted in as its fitted to yr truck.Youl never regret the cost.Attachment 178323
Thats not a bar. This is a bar.
Winch goes under the number plate (not sure if I need one or not). Bar replaces all of the bottom skirt plastic and gives a better entry angle. I had broken the plastic getting into steep little creeks.
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I have no bottom skirt either,all metal.So what protects your $2000 factory truck lights?snorkel next Tahr.
Cheap Adventure King Chinese lights protected by my careful driving. :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Trout
One thing Im a bit concerned about is the weight of the bar on the factory suspension - I think Im getting a bit of droop. So maybe I will need to do a suspension up grade. There always seems to be trade offs.
Tahr ,get a set of these harden perspexs light protectors.Cheap as ($120 pair there abouts 2 yrs ago)and protect my $900 head ligths.Got them onTM from company in Auckland.Easy to fit.Stops those bloody little stones from busting yr ligthsAttachment 178336
Oh, ok. yeah, I guess they are a bit vulnerable but I didn't want the weight of another or higher loop.Quote:
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I thought when I put the bar on the suspension would be next so its not a major. About $2.5K I think.
@Trout I will look for some covers. And yeah, a snorkel is on the wish list. Suspension and snorkel, and thats it. Im coming down on Wednesday next week for 4 days - so we might catch up, eh? Staying at the usual.
Insurance companys are slowly delecting glass protection insurance.I still have it.Your ranger factory head lights would cost a fortune to replace.One head light on my patrol about 10yrs ago was over $1000 plus fitting.Thank you insurance company.Check yr insurance glass section Tahr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohawk .308
Ironman Commerical series on my Navara. This is a truck that actually earns it's keep daily, steep farm, wet, forestry and bush blocks, day in day out pushing, pulling, over, under and through everything, been reversed into by a tractor even at one stage. Good protection and approach angles and solid as a rock. Imagine it's not very lightweight but put on as dealer option along with suspension to match.
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I have no affiliation but if it was me I'd get an Ironman to support the company that supports NZ Hunter Adventures.
Suspension is on the cards so no worry about the extra weight of the bar. Same situation, will be ARB OEM suspension so it maintains new vehicle warranty. I do like the look of ironman but unfortunately the Toyota agreement is with ARB.
Will be getting the following through Toyota: Canopy, steel side steps, snorkel, towbar with recovery points, deck liner.
Tossing up between Toyota or ARB bullbar with front recovery points. Considering a winch but not sure, only being able to pull forward would not have helped me in past situations. Diff breathers etc will be extended. OEM suspension and lastly maybe some additional under body protection but tossing up options and what I do and don’t want to fork money on based on necessity.
You mean… firstly <not maybe> under body protection.Quote:
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I’ll show you my ARB UBP plates if you like. Saved my arse many times. Nothing quite like landing on one of those instead of your transfer case or sump.
Winches are not all about recovery. They are damned useful… and when you’ve got one even though you thought you didn’t need it, when you need it there’s nothing quite like it.
But I get the upfront cost considerations. Bottom line is I have all the fruit including front and rear lockers and there isn’t a single part of the original build that hasn’t saved my arse on a regular basis. Depends how you use the vehicle obviously but I’m not afraid to use mine to the max.
Don’t forget you also need to extend your gearbox and transfer case breathers.
Another random thought. ABS plastic vs fibreglass canopies.. I’m not sure what I’ve got on my Colorado, just asked for a canopy with sliding windows when I ordered it, think it’s plastic.
Steel one?
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Sounds expensiveQuote:
Originally Posted by MSL
I'm getting one of these https://www.utemaster.com.au/ute-canopy/Quote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
Strong, great access and lock/unlock with utes central locking - but not cheap
@stagstalker have a look how the two canopies are mounted. From what i can work out and seen the plastic ones have these big four inch wide plates that come down through your tough deck. So they take a big slot out of your tuff deck and looks like shit. That's on a sr5.
Also i know you have a dog so don't forget the grills that go on the back window.
Both canopies are made by Beaut ute and the price difference between the plastic and fibreglass is about $100.
Also i think the plastic one has a lift up window in the front for cleaning and the fibreglass has a sliding front window.
Hopefully someone with a new hilux can confirm all this info?:D:D
Over the years I had allot and steel bars and collected a few animals, trees and other obstacles. Both have pros and cons.
Arb make good bars. You need protection around your lights, would buy a bar with out it.
I run arb winch bar on my prado with upgraded springs, shocks and 40 mm lift. Winches and cable are pretty heavy.
Hear good things re Ironman products.
The front axel weight of the patrol weighed 1620kgs befor i put the arbs and winch on the front.Its got plenty of trackion up front.In 16 yrs iv never replaced or upgraded the suspension springs or shocks.No drop on the front.The old patrol taken a beating over the yrs.I put 400kgs of dri mix concrete in the back last week.Thort it might be too much for the rear suspension.The old girl hardly dropped at all.Tyers hardly flinched.Tough old truck at 548000ks.
Over the last 25 to 30 years, shock absorber life on my 4WDs has typically been around 60,000 km max.Quote:
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It would be interesting to know what would happen if you took one of the front shocks out of its strut assembly.
On old vehicles I’ve worked on that have never had the shocks replaced, you can pretty much guarantee that you can push the shock’s shaft all the way in and it won’t push itself back out, because it is depressurised. In effect the spring has been doing all the work since whenever. If you know what you’re looking for you can feel it quite easily as you drive.
That’s not to say that’s what you will find on your Patrol, there are some old school oil shocks from back in the day that were incredibly durable, like old the Koni designs. These days many of the shocks we buy are actually generic Chinese made designs, painted different colours with different branding - Not hard to end up paying double the price for a specific shock that is exactly the same as something much much cheaper.
Putting new shocks in an older vehicle can transform the driving experience, and it’s not particularly expensive.
Would be interesting to get them tested one day.The shocks are original factory shocks,so theyll be 21yrs old this month.Might get my son n law diesel machanic to have a look at them next yr.
Ive fitted many different bullbars to Hiluxs.
ARB would be the most popular next is genuine.
Both these require the front bumper to be cut. This looks absolutely shit imo!
Ironman and MCC both don't need any cutting of the factory parts.
They're a simple bumper removal and then fit bullbars. Which is far nicer looking.
@stagstalker… something to consider when looking at canopies is fitting an air vent. If you end up doing lots of dirt road mileage, especially down south or in the western Ruapehu or Taranaki, you will find that traditional canopies on wellside utes are often not perfectly airtight and they can suck in bulldust like nothing else. There is nothing more annoying than pulling up at camp in the evening and finding all your gear is covered in gritty dust.
The way to fix this is to create positive a pressure inside the canopy by using an air intake. There are several different designs and some can be retrofitted. Front mounted, roof mounted. These are a necessity in my book.
@cambo that’s interesting and definitely sounds more appealing. I will enquire and see if fitting an ironman bullbar will have any effect on warranty.
@Flyblown that’s a good idea. My current canopy does that on summer gravel roads. Pain in the ass and I have been laying a piece of foam or rolled up sheet at the hinge of my tailgate to combat it.
@stagstalker the warranty bullbar make thing sounds a bit off to me considering ARB and genuine Toyota made by ARB are the most expensive bars I think they may just be trying to milk you a bit and don’t think it should make a difference to warranty so long as Toyota fit it.
I’ve had ARB bullbar in the past on a 2016 hilux and to be honest don’t think they are worth the $$. I’ve just decided I’m going to get an MCC bar for my 2020 hilux now that they are making for the current model.
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The patrol whole front from bottom of grill down got smash when i ran up the back of a BMW in CHCH,lights went reds,Wrote it off with my 3ton baby.So it was cheaper for the insurance company to get panel beater to strip off the smashed skirts off front of patrol,bolt on the ARBS on the chassie .About 3days labour difference they reckn to refiitting new skirts and painting.So i brought the 9000lb super winch and got that fitted into the ARBS.Took panel beater about 1hr to fit arbs on.Just trolleys them under front of truck and line up and bolt them up.Easy as,wire up winch and im away.
Insurance payed for ARBs and labour.
I payed for winch.
Good deal i thort.
Have just fitted a mcc falcon bar on my new hilux and a rear bar whick incorporated the towbar as well.
You need to replace all of the suspension to carry the additional weight.
Also fitted a 11000 lb winch.
Ute sits approx 40 mm higher all round and drives great
