oh yeah.. last thing, if i'd used my brain i woulda cracked the first nut, undone it a bit & sprayed the thread wth crc then retightened it & then cracked the nut on the opposite end of the bolt, that way both ends woulda been easier to undo. but being a dumpluck i dived in & undone one end completely then laboured with the fencing pliers to hold the bolt tight while i tried to crack the other nut which hadnt been off for decades. so yeah i wasted some time & effort there... sigh
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