Thread: Tauranga meeting with National 5th Dec

No register under National!!

I looked at those 13 points with Hudson at the sika show. I commented to him that they were too open ended and easy to manipulate. Any comms to Nats need to close up the potential for weaseling imo.

Originally Posted by johnd

Hell i didnt think you were listening @Maca49.
Pretty good recall!
It is important for anyone wanting to use their vote as a political tool to read and understand those 13 points, they are available from Nats.

Are you able to post a link? This dumb old fuck couldn’t find it.

Google "nationals 13 points on firearms" You Know about 'GOOGLE', HUH

for you @Rushy... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political...arm-law-reform

I actually think following the submissions to the select committee we should help them rewrite this in light of the real issues that - they kept saying over and over came to light and attention of the select committee - But Deborah was gonna do absolutely squat about!

Proposed changes by National:

Introducing Firearms Prohibition Orders
Adding flexibility to dealer licences given the wider remit being proposed
Introducing clearer and more flexible rules for clubs
Introducing clearer and more flexible rules for sporting ranges
Ensuring the Register is clearly defined in legislation
Keeping licence duration the same as it is today
Including safeguards on healthcare practitioners reporting to Police.
Removing excessive regulatory powers from the Act
Introducing new and consistent exemptions for sports shooting
Providing for greater flexibility for pest control exemptions
Adding common sense amendments for collector exemptions
Amending the fit and proper person test to require some clear rules for assessing patterns of behaviour
Requiring common sense rules for visitors purchasing firearms over prohibition

Thanks fella’s. Maca, you can go take a flying leap you cheeky shit.

Originally Posted by GDMP

There is no mention there of amending the complete ban on centerfire self-loaders...I pointed out to Hudson that the complete ban for hunters was unreasonable/illogical and that there were many purpose built hunting rifles headed for the shredder also....he seemed to have some sympathy for that view so I truly hope that this issue is re-visited and some sort of exemption made for auto's with very small fixed magazine capacity.

Are you hoping it will be re-visited in the next 5 days cos after that it would only apply to imported firearms.

Originally Posted by GDMP

No,it clearly will not be re-visited in the next 5 days....please point out where I suggested that?.

I guess you realize that in a few days there will be no semi auto centre fire rifles available to the general public so there is only 5 days left for anything to happen...good luck if anyone thinks anything will happen after that.

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

I guess you realize that in a few days there will be no semi auto centre fire rifles available to the general public so there is only 5 days left for anything to happen...good luck if anyone thinks anything will happen after that.

Yep and National said, if you think we will go back to the old rules, you can forget it, adding NO future government will ever do that!! All theywill add is a bit of logic to some of what has now been passed, they will not overturn it. I find that very very disappointing, but of the three blue coats in attendance, none of them had an FAL, or really understand them, they think they are just evil, like the other fcukers

Originally Posted by Maca49

Yep and National said, if you think we will go back to the old rules, you can forget it, adding NO future government will ever do that!! All theywill add is a bit of logic to some of what has now been passed, they will not overturn it. I find that very very disappointing, but of the three blue coats in attendance, none of them had an FAL, or really understand them, they think they are just evil, like the other fcukers

I do believe National will make some token gesture next year as they must in opposition, but by new year the 20th will be forgotten, next year the media will be onto the 12 months since mid March followed by the very small number of ANZAC commemorations to be allowed and then the lead up to elections...as there will be no sacf there will be no protests from that quarter.

Met Hudson at the Sika show and chewed his ear for ~15 mins. I was left VERY unimpressed.
Close to zero understanding or willingness to admit the changes introduced under COL were shite and needed serious fixing and/or removal.

I have emailed the Nz first party and asked them what they are going to do for their votes on the second Traunch. Are they following Nationals lead and putting some space between themselves and the Labour party... are they voting with their conscience or supporting this debacle further.
i have also told them that what they do in the near future will effect them in the not too distant future regarding where my vote goes.
That was four days ago and other than a "got your email " I have not had a response.

I think we should be seeking out all the "other" political parties on what they intend to do with their vote, just so they know what we will be doing with ours.

Originally Posted by johnd

I have emailed the Nz first party and asked them what they are going to do for their votes on the second Traunch. Are they following Nationals lead and putting some space between themselves and the Labour party... are they voting with their conscience or supporting this debacle further.
i have also told them that what they do in the near future will effect them in the not too distant future regarding where my vote goes.
That was four days ago and other than a "got your email " I have not had a response.

I think we should be seeking out all the "other" political parties on what they intend to do with their vote, just so they know what we will be doing with ours.

Which face do you think will finally answer?

I reckon "arse aboutface".