Who has these for the best price?
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Who has these for the best price?
And can anyone explain why infa red atn scope $1400 ish thermal handheld $2-3000 and thermal scope $15k + seems a huge jump when the scope technology is there in infs red. Would think a thermal scooe would be $3-4k
IR scopes can use regular optic lenses and an regular CCD sensor.
A handheld thermal thingee has a special type of CCD sensor that is sensitive to thermal frequencies. These are a different chemistry to the regular silicon based CCDs that all regular digital cameras (visible and IR) use.
A thermal scope has this expensive thermal-specific CCD in it, AND the optic lenses that do the magnification are made of a special glass that allows the thermal frequencies to pass through, unlike regular glass.
The cost is in the special thermal CCD sensor, and the special thermal lenses.
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Ahhh knew some clever bugger here would know the answer
And if not that sounded pretty convincing anyway
So who has the best prices?
I dont know about who has the best prices, but I have dealt with these guys in Nelson before and they were good to deal with. Yukon Optics New Zealand and Pulsar night vision, thermal image, and daylight optics.. Night vision systems, binoculars, goggles, spotting scopes, thermal imagers, riflescopes, rifle sights, range finders. For outdoor recreation, boating, hunting, fi
They certainly knew their stuff. I met them down Tekapo way when they were testing some of the new gear and I was impressed with the results. I have no idea how each one works but the results I saw made me want one. (pity it didn't conjure up any cash to pay for one though...) The commercial hunter that we talked to used them a lot and was happy with them too.
+1 for that crowd @Yukon when it comes to service and warrenty. Great people to deal with
Shucks you guys, you are making me blush :)
Robbie had a demo one in there last year and we were going to give it a serious try out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon
But when I finally pinned him down to a hunt / try out it had gone back to the distributors.
That Robbie has to get his work life balance sorted ah.
Anyway Im seriously keen to see one of these in action and not on bloody sheep and cattle.
Any options for the distributor to get a demo one back to Robbie or anyone in the South Island who has one and wants some company for an outing ?
Even better if they're in Canterbury and have heaps of deer handy !
Or they can come see some in my area ?
Sorry meant to say Robbie from Gunworks of course.
Your explanation is bang-on.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
A thermal is basically a digital device that uses a thermal sensor, or correctly know as a microbolometer, that is sensitive to infrared in the 7µ -14µ (7000nm - 14,000nm) wavelength. In comparison, a digital night vision scope is sensitive to IR of 700nm - 1000nm, or .7µ - 1µ. The level of sensitivity of a microbolometer is far higher than a digital CCD or CMOS sensors, and is therefor a lot more expensive.
The other main expense of a thermal is the germanium lens. These are far more expensive than glass lenses, and as the focal length of the lens increases, so does its size, assuming the relative aperture (f-value) remains the same. All the Pulsar Quantum and Apex thermals are defined by the focal length of the lens, (XD38/XD50 etc) the bodies are identical, and the price difference is only the increase in lens size.
We had to take Robbie's sale or return back because we ran out of stock. There are quite a few Pulsar thermals in the Canterbury region, whereabouts are you? We are still painfully short of stock, we just can't pull enough in at the moment, anyone would think the roar had started :ORLY:Quote:
Originally Posted by akaroa1
Have you seen my vids? I filmed a few deer with each of the units, though the image quality is better looking through the eyepiece, it will still provide an idea of performance.
https://vimeo.com/yukonopticsnz
It was good to meet you Tim. I was too shagged-out to drop-in and sample all the lovely whiskies!Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
After a saw you, we drove up to Burke's Pass, where I got on to some wallabies. Shooting them at night was like taking candy from a baby because they just stood still, or if I missed one (hate to admit it), they just hopped for a few metres then stopped again. I was nailing them out to around 250m. Those .223 American Eagle varmint tips certainly do the biz.
I am not stirring the pot here, but can someone tell me what all these thermal imagers are being used for in the hunting sense?
I am picking that it is not for rec shooting of bunnys or possums as the price is quite hefty compared to a decent spotlight etc.
I noticed when I re did my doc permit that the conditions now exclude the use of artificial light sources etc, as well as spotlights, and even found carrying such on doc blocks could lead to trouble.
I have had a play with a thermal imager, thanks to Yukon, and they are a great piece of gear.
We sell Pulsar Quantum hand-held thermals to mainly hunters and pest controllers, as well as to Coastguard NZ and helicopter rescue trusts. It's a good all-rounder that can be used evening, night, and morning, and throughout the day as long as there is no full sunlight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
The Pulsar Apex thermal sights are bought by hunters and pest controllers. Thermal riflescopes are more of a luxury for hunting, but more of a necessity for pest controlling.
Spotlights are poor against spooking animals, whereas they have no defense against a thermal.
The use of thermals and night vision is permitted on DOC land, as long as it isn't used for the purpose of hunting at night. I got on to DOC as soon as this issue was raised, and here is a link to my communication with them:
Yukon Optics New Zealand and Pulsar night vision, thermal image, and daylight optics.. Night vision systems, binoculars, goggles, spotting scopes, thermal imagers, riflescopes, rifle sights, range finders. For outdoor recreation, boating, hunting, fi
Pm sent.
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That communication from DOC sounds like a big can of worms to me.:(
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
We try to keep the prices the same throughout New Zealand. Some dealers stock and actively hold demonstration evenings, and I would not like a situation where they do all the work, and another dealer picks up the sale through price only. We do offer a 7% discount for forum members though, but only through our Foco-Optik dealership.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobGibson
For openers, the only legit reason I can think of for carrying thermal imaging gear on DOC land, would possibly be to help track a freshly downed animal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon
I do not believe they are of any use in finding ones way to camp. Torch is way way easier to use.
How do they propose to police this weak policy anyway?
Anyone they find with such gear now has a cast iron get-out if they were using or intending to use it to effectively `spotlight`
I guess you have a commercial interest to try and protect, which is the reason for you contacting DOC.
I am very surprised you got a climb down from them.
The hours of the day at which you can legally shoot animals on doc land are clearly established. If you shoot outside those hours you are breaking the rules. Using a thermal or not.
So you get called aside walking out of a DOC block one morning, with your prize stag on your back, and thermal image gear in your pack.
~I only used it to find the dead deer officer.....honest~
Clearly the rules are in place so theres no hunting during darkness as stated on the permit. I find its hard to believe theres going to be no problem having thermal imaging gear on you if you walking out in the middle of the night in a DOC block and get checked by a DOC officer.. Really, rifle over your shoulder, no mag in etc and you be sweet? If that was the case there be no problem if i did the same with a spotlight as i forgot my torch......... ... My mate wanted to go into a DOC block and spotlight without a rifle to see the animal numbers and show his son some deer....DOC advice thats not a good option due to the fact that if he was caught whats not to say he hid his rifle in the bush. i somehow doubt you going to have no problems if theres a crack down in a area and you got thermal imaging gear on you and a rifle in darkness....just saying
Listened to Parliament the other night [dont ask] they were discussing new legislation for Doc and Fisheries,probadly about time as the old one goes back to 1950s.There new powers will be quiet strong with some of it involving the search and surviellance legislation that came in 2012 i think.
@akaroa1 pm sent to ya, sounds like we need to meet up and work out what toys we have between us!
Walking in the middle of the night would be hard to justify indeed, but walking back to you hut on the evening of your hunt or getting up a few hours before first light to reach your favourite spot in time, who on the forum has not done that? Every duck hunter reach their maimai and get ready with loaded shotgun before the legal hour.
And if you spot your animal before the legal hour in the morning but shoot it just after I don't see where you are breaking the law.
Torchs are pretty good for walking around the bush in the dark.
I cant see how this can be policed as far as shooting after dark is concerned.
Having played with a thermal image device for a couple of weeks, one of my concerns is that the thermal image of a human in the bush, could easily be mistaken for a large game animal. We already have idiots shooting at things that should be seen as human , and I don't see the need to add to the issue.
In open country, and especially with cold ground etc, these things are great. But put some tight bush in the picture and form what I have seen, all you really see is a heat signature.
Another hunting"" äccident"""just waiting to happening. Plus Thermal imaging and night vision scopes etc poachers would be a big factor in keeping strong sales up one would thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
Thermal is best way of spotting deer, and especially good for identifying that it is a deer, not a bloke. I made DOC aware of this, and as most accidental shooting occur on land that they manage, they'ed be pretty dumb to ignore this fact.
Which thermal were you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
Check-out the first bit of this vid:
https://vimeo.com/114231774
I'm in the trade, so I know who our main market is. Most of our sales are to successful guys with access to private hunting, keen hunters who use them for stalking, and farmers who hunt and control pests on their own farms. I'm sure the odd poacher uses them, but most poachers can't afford this gear because they are broke arses, and can only afford a spotlight. There hasn't been a single conviction where night vision or thermal has been use for poaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by deer243
Guys are shooting each other in daylight, with daylight rifles scopes right now. Read the other threads. So if this debate is about safety, it's bollocks.
I really don't see your point.... I've spotlighted deer with a shitty headlight so the definition of "spotlight" could be pretty vague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
As long as the bolts out there is no difference to walking around with thermal/night vision or walking around with torch or headlight. The only difference is that the thermal will you might be able to spot your game in the early hours, set up and wait for it to be light, morals aside, nothing illegal about that
My point is, human nature is such that some people are going to abuse this little loophole (as I see it) and use thermal on doc blocks under darkness.
Unlike a spotlight, you or I wont even know they are there.
I cant recall the model that we tried out, but I do recall quite clearly how our subject became a shapeless heat signature once long grass/bush was introduced. I am sure the newer models have only got better since then (2 years ago), but remain sceptical.
@Yukon. No dis respect , but if I was in the market for something like this, and my purposes were not quite pearly white, I would be telling the sales person just what they want to hear. IE: `yeah mate, I have access to private land blah blah.
Bolt out is a cop out. What about the guy with a semi, lever action, bow ??? Just saying. How do you see it being policed?Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
Why does one assume these are used at night?
I have used handheld thermal pretty extensively in day and night on public and private land legally in both cases.
Where they excell is in the morning scanning a face from afar where you can swap back and forward from binos to thermal.
It is just another tool.
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How do you police someone walking around with a torch with a semi/lever/bow. Bolt out where applicable and gun unloaded/slung is what I should of said aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
It's never going to be black and white, but if you are taking all practicable steps to show you are not actively hunting there is no way you can be charged pretty simple
Does anyone know of any person who was charged with a spotlighting offence when they GENUINELY weren't.
I think we are reacting to a problem that doesn't exist.
If your genuinely not night hunting in an area where it is forbidden then I doubt you've got a problem.
Re the identify your target issue. I've used a thermal imager and I doubt anybody could miss identify a human as a game animal using a thermal imaging device night or day.
Pity the second bit onwards proves the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon
I like thermal imagers, I have a level 1 qualification and I've got hands on experience with mid 6 figure cams, but I can also guarantee they are being misused and it is easy to misidentify your target, especially in summer/shoulder seasons and in the day time.
Chris
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by BobGibson
I used a Yukon device a couple of years ago at a forum hunt and was amazed at what it picked up. Could clearly see geese in the river bed a fair distance away and they were easily identifiable.