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Who's a hypocrite and for what?

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Originally Posted by Toby

Who's a hypocrite and for what?

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All of us that hunt with rifles and such. You need to see the point he is making.

I'm trying to which is why I'm asking questions.

So why are we hypocrites hunting with a rifle though?

Maybe not everyone but people like myself that have beliefs in how a trophy is to be taken. I am a hypocrite because I think I am more ethical than shooting one at 800m with NV gear and lasers. He is right up to a point.

Ok. How should a trophy be taken? In your point of view.

Not at 800 yrds with a .338 LM and NVG's and lasers.

.338LM at 100yrds NV?

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Originally Posted by Toby

.338LM at 100yrds NV?

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No FFS! It is a personal thing, but I believe a trophy should have every opportunity to sense you and use its wits. It should be taken up close and personal during the hours of daylight and only on public land. Those are my personal standards.

Any limit on distance?

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Originally Posted by Toby

Any limit on distance?

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It would depend on the terrain and the ability to make a sure shot. And the quarry.

Seems reasonable enough. Would you consider someone shooting a large stag with a bow better then someone shooting one with a rifle?

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Originally Posted by greghud

i just dont understand how anyone who uses a scope on their rifle can call themselves a hunter. i mean, cant you line up a buck horn and a blade onto your target?
lets face it, all this has been braught about by the advent of modern smokless propelants. ever since that shit turned up everyone went on a mad race to out do one another.
people seemed to be able to hunt with a spear and bow before gunpowder came along.................
me? well i am so moraly superoir that i dont use any technology, at all. i hunt with a rock. i think that if you need to use anything that was invented by man then you are just being a cheat and i wont accept that your trophy has any worth because you have adpoted some new fangled hunting tool.
greg

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you better stop using the internet then greg and go back to smoke signals and yelling on top of hill:P
But im of the opinion that using night vision kit weather on private or public is for pussys .......its a cheap shot and to me seams one sided.

For me (no im not having a go r93) i dont really trophy hunt for deer anyway. So any head to a point is hanging out the back and is a memory like a photo of that hunt or trip. Hunting is what it is to you and what other people dictate means naught. As far as Im concearned aslong as its not behind a wire and it hunted safely and ethicly then what ever aids you deem acceptable so be it. I actually think greg was having a dig at anyone knocking any new tech being used. As his point with scopes at one point were new tech aswell and now are common place. Personally i agree with r93 that it should be a one on one you versus them type deal . And also i wouldnt go hunting with n.v gear . However i would use it for pest control on private land as i cant think of a simpler more effective and green approach to pest control .

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Originally Posted by Toby

Seems reasonable enough. Would you consider someone shooting a large stag with a bow better then someone shooting one with a rifle?

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No, why would I Toby? I have shot oodles of deer and the like, well within bow range as I am sure a lot of others have. I have used late model compound bows and find them as easy to use and almost as accurate as a rifle with iron sights.
A rifle is a lot quicker on the shot and killing wise I would expect. So I would say a bow hunter possibly has more patience.

I don't really get into the trophy hunting side of it. I just like shooting stuff. Wouldn't say no to a nice stag, but wouldn't pass up a hind or a spiker either. Getting into the field and fucking around with gear is part of the fun for me, which is why I like this kind of gear and don't have a problem with it being used for hunting. I like to do what ever spins my wheels, and I respect other peoples preferences. I suppose I don't get as wound up as some people cuz I'm not as precious about hunting.