Thread: Good Kiwi buggers making stuff.

So what are you actually saying - it is prudent not to live downstream of their dams, and unsafe to live in a lot of their appartments?

And where I worked in the last 30 years, (on shore and off shore steel industry and mining) is wasn't optional to do what the boss said. Mind you most of the bosses (me included ) managed in a modern style. You didn't last long if you worked to your own set of rules.
I am sure that many here on this forum who run their own businesses would not have an optional relationalship with their employees.

Originally Posted by MassiveAttack

There is a difference between NZ and Chinese culture that does effect quality. I work with teams in both countries so am reminded by this every day. In China they will never miss a deadline so the main way they do this is by working as hard as it takes but when push comes to shove then quality can be compromised. e.g. we are building an appartment block and the concrete is not up to spec but rather than miss a deadline they will just carry on. Most of the time this is ok but occasionally the apparement building falls down.

In NZ doing what the boss says appears to be optional and nobody can make anybody compramise on the qualtity standard that the individual has decided they must adhear to. This means that when push comes to shove they miss the deadline and you have half a perfect thing.

An example would be the Clyde dam. They decided the hills around it were an earthquake risk so they execcede the inital budger by many orders of magnatude and stabalised the hills. I can guarantee that this didn't happen when they build the three georges dam.

Neither way is perfect but as the guy running those teams I would rather have the Chinese way as you can't run a business selling half a perfect thing. Also perfection is impossible to actually achieve in the real world so they key is to build things to agreed quality standards then the producer and the consumer gets what they are expecting.

Yes but they have a lot more dams and apartment buildings than we ever will. E.g 5 years after it fell down we will can't decide what to do with the christchurch cathedral so we still have a pigeon infested ruin.

Lucky for me we build software not dams so nobody dies when it goes wrong which is frequently. I follow Tikka7mm08's management philosophy.

I've always liked the FIFO model.

Fit In or Fuck Off.

Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

I've always liked the FIFO model.

Fit In or Fuck Off.

That is a shit attitude, the world is such an interesting place because people are different. If everyone "fitted in" we would be a bunch of drones with no self-awareness.

Originally Posted by Tombi

That is a shit attitude, the world is such an interesting place because people are different. If everyone "fitted in" we would be a bunch of drones with no self-awareness.

He is referring a work/business situation I believe

Originally Posted by MSL

He is referring a work/business situation I believe

Correct.

Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

I've always liked the FIFO model.

Fit In or Fuck Off.

That comes with the concrete guaranty ah.......once it's off the concrete it's fucked

Have a new truck and have fitted Rugged Valley cotton canvas seat covers. I think they will outlast the truck. Very well made in NZ of course.

You can get a Chinese company to stick to a standard, but it takes having someone checking on them constantly (this makes up about 1/3 of my work) and most western companies don't do this as they don't understand china. The other issue is that you contract with company A who shows you samples that meet std but when it comes time to actually make the production run they subcontract the work out to companies who can't/won't meet that std. This is often when I get called in, when the western company should have sent someone to check the factory before doing the big order as often it obvious they are just prototype fabricators when you visit them.

China is a cunt of a place to do business, well worth paying a little more to get something made on Taiwan if practical

Originally Posted by res

You can get a Chinese company to stick to a standard, but it takes having someone checking on them constantly (this makes up about 1/3 of my work) and most western companies don't do this as they don't understand china. The other issue is that you contract with company A who shows you samples that meet std but when it comes time to actually make the production run they subcontract the work out to companies who can't/won't meet that std. This is often when I get called in, when the western company should have sent someone to check the factory before doing the big order as often it obvious they are just prototype fabricators when you visit them.

China is a cunt of a place to do business, well worth paying a little more to get something made on Taiwan if practical

Yes, regular 'check ups' are required to maintain quality. The outfit I have been working with over there produces high quality items and have a good workforce who are well looked after, but I still have a language barrier and Chinese way of thinking to overcome. On my visits I have been able to see items in production and have been able to make changes on the spot, with the result that the final product is very good in both materials and workmanship. If you relied on an internet order with no ability to actually check the production then you are doomed to accept what they give you.

John Worthington knives for sure, have 3 of them and sold many to my clients. HGD Designs sheaths are pretty gd too 😉

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke9CD8uf9ic

Check the finished product - clever buggers for sure.

I watched a doco recently on the building of a huge rollercoaster, by a Dutch company. They contracted a Chinese firm to build the steel frame and runners, and seeing the real old school skills used to get the curves etc spot on, was a real eye opener.

We live in a world where there are more things we want to try, so we buy them all. in doing so we spread our income thin, so we have to pick the cheaper ones. Imagine people who were born in the 1920s and hunted in the 50s and 60s. Probably had just one rifle with ironsight, one ammunition, one knife. Today most of us have a target 22 rifle, a plinker 22 rifle, one varmint rifle, one large game rifle, a couple shot guns. everything either has a telescopic scope or red dot or laser. Assorted suppressors and brakes. at the least 1 range finder and a bino. probably 3 knives. GPS, iphone with ballistic apps... Point is, I dont think it is the locally made product that has gone so expensive, it is that we need so many different things local wage produced products seem expensive in comparison.

However, I do wonder why NZ barrels are so expensive compared to Lilja and other USA top end barrels.

Can I add a testimonial about Hardy Rifle Engineering? Well I am going to anyway. A while ago I bought an older Hardy can off a member for my brother. He has recently sent it to Hardys to have fitted to his new Tikka T3 Varmint 260 and Savage 12 .204. When they went to fit they found the iso tube was too small to fit over the heavy barrels. No worries they offered him a $200 trade in on a new suppressor. They then found their new ones wouldn't fit over the stupidly fat Savage barrel. Sheesh its only a 204 how much metal do you need, any way bugger. Then they came back and said ok well will make a one off custom suppressor to fit over the over weight barrel. Not bad service in my view. Go you good buggers.