Agree. Just marketing bollocks. I guess that makes Mercator knockoffs "designed and developed in Germany".Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
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Agree. Just marketing bollocks. I guess that makes Mercator knockoffs "designed and developed in Germany".Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
This out of date idea of Chinese factory workers has to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
Most workers in factories earn more after tax buying power per hour than someone doing the same job in NZ would, and the govt limits them to working 60 hours a week max-this is considered a short in China but even so most of the factory's I visit limit workers to 50 hours a week. There is a issue around workers using another if to work as two workers on different shifts but that's completely by choice.
China is no longer the cheep place to get things made, and things are made to the quality that the brand wants and enforces.
Personally I go out of my way to buy NZ stuff whenever possible
Yeah? Admittadly this report is a year old and there may have been an amazing change https://www.cnet.com/news/low-wages-...s-labor-group/Quote:
Originally Posted by res
Also recent TV footage (last night even) of severe smog poisoning their workers belies a happy situation.
I prefer buying local, but sometimes price makes it prohibitive, I can't afford to buy from Swazi, so I buy Karrimor or whatever is good and within my budget. I do try to by second-hand when possible so I can get good NZ gear at times.
A lot of Chinese made stuff is still rubbish but there is also a lot of good stuff coming out of there too, Look at the torches and cookers we are buying from there now. My $7 ali-express cooker gets more use than my $150 Kovea now, and they are potentially made in the same or very similar factories just had a name thrown on them.
YeaQuote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
Some things in that article don't read true, laws (that get managers life sentences) are being broken if what is said is true.
Also, keep in mind that the total monthly pay quoted in the article is twice the average uneducated wage in shanghai (the city I live in and where the story is set).
The pollution issue is real, horribly so-but changes are happening even in this front, the last year has been better than the few before it in Shanghai going on us consulate records. Still bad, very very bad at times but yesterday the air was better in shanghai than Wellington for most of the day-I'm anal about the air with little kids so am checking it about ten times a day via the us consulate and my own meters at home and via apps.
Res I thought Tokyo was bad enough and they're not burning millions of tons of coal there.
Sorry OP getting OT :(
Culture is a funny thing in that nobody understands anyone else's culture. A good example of this is a western reporter going to the Foxconn \ Apple factory, seeing workers asleep at the production line and concluding that they are being worked so hard that they fell asleep at their desks. The actual truth of the matter is that it's fairly normal in China to go out for a massive two hour lunch and then have a wee nana nap at your desk afterwards. You keep a pillow under your desk for this purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by res
Whereas here in the western world falling asleep at work is considered a sign of weakness so we make junior doctors work 50 hours straight making life or death decisions without a nap. We make white collar workers fuel themselves on caffeine to push past their mid afternoon sleepy time despite the impact on productivity. Somehow that's better because it's our culture and we understand it.
Well said, so true. Bakewell Burners (if I hadn't already said that).Quote:
Originally Posted by MassiveAttack
Spiroloc tubing, Thermettes and wood burners
And by no means supporting Chinese made over NZ stuff but the degree of quality or by reverse "cheapness" is determined by the client. They will build to whatever quality/cost the client dictates. The issue is then mainly with the buyer if they are willing to accept the price of quality be it made on shore or off shore. There are for example good and very bad scopes coming out of China.
I disagree, I see shit powertools and machinery from China everyday, I also believe that shit is so cheap it's either slave labour with no Health and Safety or care for most workers or it is all being subsidised by the chink govt! Can't say there's not good profit for the importers thou, priced a motor for a Hobart mixer the other day, cheap Chinese job, single phase, 0.75 kw, $4173.00 + GST ex the U.K... FFS we rebuilt it, the stator had moved, top quality for sure:O_O:Quote:
Originally Posted by res
Chinese will definitely build you what you want at the price point you wantQuote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
Thats the issue, most Kiwi businesses seem to operate on the build it as cheap as you can and sell it for the absolute maximum can and then if it fails either replace it begrudgingly with a lot of moaning or totally ignore the customer/walk away.
I wont buy locally produced hunting clothing now both the fit and quality is rubbish. its no good getting your rooted dodgy boots replaced with another pair of the same, when you hobble back after they failed during a hunt
American companies know what customer service generally is and excell at it.
All great stuff guys thanks for the input, when I started this thread it was my intention to find out about the really great stuff made here with a little side dig at all the dicks that have taken their manufacturing off shore. There has been some great replies keep them coming, there is a crowd in Akaroa making underwear does anyone know the name? I soo want one buy one of those AMP annealing machines its not funny but at about $1500 I need about 9 other people to put in shares for one who all live in AKL. Oh well back to work tomorrow.
kuiu socks are made by "the sock factory" in Ashburton then i guess exported back to us when we buy them :D
Just a suggestion but if you buy a annealing machine you could anneal brass for other people for a set fee. That was you would own it but you could also recoup some of the costs. Going shares with that many people is a disaster waiting to happen because one bloke will forget to give it back or stuff it and then you are down a mate and a annealing machine. As the saying goes don't lend out your gear or your mrs cos they will come back rooted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dermastor
Norsewear in Norsewood for socks and stuff - bloody good
I too want an AMP machine and 90% sure to get once my Whidden hydraulic die shows up for 260AI.
And keep it in your office by the riverQuote:
Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08
There is a difference between NZ and Chinese culture that does effect quality. I work with teams in both countries so am reminded by this every day. In China they will never miss a deadline so the main way they do this is by working as hard as it takes but when push comes to shove then quality can be compromised. e.g. we are building an appartment block and the concrete is not up to spec but rather than miss a deadline they will just carry on. Most of the time this is ok but occasionally the apparement building falls down.
In NZ doing what the boss says appears to be optional and nobody can make anybody compramise on the qualtity standard that the individual has decided they must adhear to. This means that when push comes to shove they miss the deadline and you have half a perfect thing.
An example would be the Clyde dam. They decided the hills around it were an earthquake risk so they execcede the inital budger by many orders of magnatude and stabalised the hills. I can guarantee that this didn't happen when they build the three georges dam.
Neither way is perfect but as the guy running those teams I would rather have the Chinese way as you can't run a business selling half a perfect thing. Also perfection is impossible to actually achieve in the real world so they key is to build things to agreed quality standards then the producer and the consumer gets what they are expecting.
So what are you actually saying - it is prudent not to live downstream of their dams, and unsafe to live in a lot of their appartments?
And where I worked in the last 30 years, (on shore and off shore steel industry and mining) is wasn't optional to do what the boss said. Mind you most of the bosses (me included :P) managed in a modern style. You didn't last long if you worked to your own set of rules.
I am sure that many here on this forum who run their own businesses would not have an optional relationalship with their employees.
I've always liked the FIFO model.
Fit In or Fuck Off.
Yes but they have a lot more dams and apartment buildings than we ever will. E.g 5 years after it fell down we will can't decide what to do with the christchurch cathedral so we still have a pigeon infested ruin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MassiveAttack
Lucky for me we build software not dams so nobody dies when it goes wrong which is frequently. I follow Tikka7mm08's management philosophy.
You can get a Chinese company to stick to a standard, but it takes having someone checking on them constantly (this makes up about 1/3 of my work) and most western companies don't do this as they don't understand china. The other issue is that you contract with company A who shows you samples that meet std but when it comes time to actually make the production run they subcontract the work out to companies who can't/won't meet that std. This is often when I get called in, when the western company should have sent someone to check the factory before doing the big order as often it obvious they are just prototype fabricators when you visit them.
China is a cunt of a place to do business, well worth paying a little more to get something made on Taiwan if practical
Yes, regular 'check ups' are required to maintain quality. The outfit I have been working with over there produces high quality items and have a good workforce who are well looked after, but I still have a language barrier and Chinese way of thinking to overcome. On my visits I have been able to see items in production and have been able to make changes on the spot, with the result that the final product is very good in both materials and workmanship. If you relied on an internet order with no ability to actually check the production then you are doomed to accept what they give you.Quote:
Originally Posted by res
John Worthington knives for sure, have 3 of them and sold many to my clients. HGD Designs sheaths are pretty gd too 😉
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke9CD8uf9ic
Check the finished product - clever buggers for sure.
I watched a doco recently on the building of a huge rollercoaster, by a Dutch company. They contracted a Chinese firm to build the steel frame and runners, and seeing the real old school skills used to get the curves etc spot on, was a real eye opener.
We live in a world where there are more things we want to try, so we buy them all. in doing so we spread our income thin, so we have to pick the cheaper ones. Imagine people who were born in the 1920s and hunted in the 50s and 60s. Probably had just one rifle with ironsight, one ammunition, one knife. Today most of us have a target 22 rifle, a plinker 22 rifle, one varmint rifle, one large game rifle, a couple shot guns. everything either has a telescopic scope or red dot or laser. Assorted suppressors and brakes. at the least 1 range finder and a bino. probably 3 knives. GPS, iphone with ballistic apps... Point is, I dont think it is the locally made product that has gone so expensive, it is that we need so many different things local wage produced products seem expensive in comparison.
However, I do wonder why NZ barrels are so expensive compared to Lilja and other USA top end barrels.
That is a shit attitude, the world is such an interesting place because people are different. If everyone "fitted in" we would be a bunch of drones with no self-awareness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08
He is referring a work/business situation I believeQuote:
Originally Posted by Tombi
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSL
That comes with the concrete guaranty ah.......once it's off the concrete it's fucked :O_O:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08
Have a new truck and have fitted Rugged Valley cotton canvas seat covers. I think they will outlast the truck. Very well made in NZ of course.
Can I add a testimonial about Hardy Rifle Engineering? Well I am going to anyway. A while ago I bought an older Hardy can off a member for my brother. He has recently sent it to Hardys to have fitted to his new Tikka T3 Varmint 260 and Savage 12 .204. When they went to fit they found the iso tube was too small to fit over the heavy barrels. No worries they offered him a $200 trade in on a new suppressor. They then found their new ones wouldn't fit over the stupidly fat Savage barrel. Sheesh its only a 204 how much metal do you need, any way bugger. Then they came back and said ok well will make a one off custom suppressor to fit over the over weight barrel. Not bad service in my view. Go you good buggers.
well legend has it you weren't called Massive for nothing!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MassiveAttack
Was he the one looking pregnant?Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
why do you have a guilty conscience??
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Originally Posted by Dermastor
Unfortunately that is the exact opposite of my experience. But good to see he treats some customers well. My Hardy suppressor was leaving soot on the outside of the barrel. It was purchased with a rifle and both were not new. I did not ask or expect him to fix it under warranty, I asked what I should do to stop it and whether I should send it to him to check. (Prepared to pay for the repair) His response was that "His products cannot leak so it wont be the suppressor leaking...." I checked. There is only one hole in my barrel and that is the one that is supposed to be there, so I am pretty certain the barrel is not causing the soot on the outside.....I will be buying another couple suppressors, one for that rifle and one for another one. Neither will be Hardy's. At least one will be a Gunworks.....I know their service is tops and have dealt with them frequently because of their service.
Pretty rich. I had the exact problem and they fixed the leak. The can was sent back via one of his better customers at the time, so that may explain the good service.Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
They went through a patch of many cans having leaks and I seem to recall that the suspect was the anaerobic adhesive not setting in the (possibly excessive) thread gaps.
Thats pretty much exactly what is happening except mine appears to have a bit of swarf in there too. I found a retailer with one of his cans sectionalised and now that I see how it is assembled I can see precisely where the issue is, so I may buy another can or I may try fix this one. ( or fix, fail, then replace if it goes badly....)Quote:
Originally Posted by 6x47