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Id guess the new ones will have more throw than a 170 by a significant amount but maybe not the spill. Been waiting for a fine night to get the m24 out. The big bonus is they weigh nothing , have no poxy cords and plugs and run for close to 2 hrs. A spare set of batteries and you good for all night. Give me a shout one night and we can compare
Righto, bulbless at the moment.
And propobly a little to much moisture to get a real good look.
That's your excuse for everything:)Quote:
Originally Posted by sneeze
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Can one of you good fellas there get in a m24 for me please they won't ship to me in Australia . No problems paying , I still have my nz bank accounts.
As a side note can you get red and green XML U2 chips?
@gadgetman is the resident guru on these. I am sure he can answer the question for you Tuidog.
Gadget dedomed the M24's big brother today - the Maxtoch 2X.
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This bigger light (440gms to the M24's 270gms) is a bit heavy for most scope mounting but good as handheld spottie. Standard it is about 120k lux and I will test it tonight but expect about 240k or so after dedoming - about 1 kilometer max range in perfect conditions. It can be tweaked to 350-400k for use as a super long range torch on 243 etc.
Both the Maxtoch M24 and the 2X are very well built lights - both are kiwi designs. They put an end to our use of halogen spotlights/ lightforces etc. Simply so much lighter/easier to use - and I found my original maxtoch was 15% better than my 6" halogen. The XML leds mean even dedomed they retain very good beam spill as well as that tight hotspot - great for paddock scanning. Dedomed they gain a more halogen tint which as someone else notes is excellent for cutting through crap and moisture in the atmosphere.
M24 dedomed good for picking up big animal bodies (not eyes) out to 500 yards with naked eye. Dedomed 2X quite a bit further, and tuned up 2X will daylight them at huge range.
How do you like the little M24 and its performance Sneeze? Wee beauty isn't it. Was impressed with light weight and production quality. And how's that M60 going?
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I've only seen coloured LED's in lower spec offerings, not in XML.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuidog
They seem to ship to Aussie if you click open the drop down on the Free Shipping to line.
Cam I've got a spare sn6-x2 or three I can mod to various levels for you to buy before you try if you want.
Just did a stocker for Adam. Reckons he's blind now. Not surprised.
Chris
Sn6x-2x dammit
I have othersQuote:
Originally Posted by R93
First impressions are good, as you said light and bright. Il have to wait for the next lot to arrive before I can get a decent idea after having a clumsy day. I dropped a couple onto the garage floor from about 4 feet. 1 survived without a mark and worked just fine but mine didnt .:oh noes: It partly expolded .Quote:
Originally Posted by mudgripz
Build quality Id have to say on a par with the 2s Iv had , but that was pretty good.
M60 is going just fine, I'm having to fend off Gadget though:thumbsup:
Ok dedoming tests completed on the new 2X.
Stock it read 112kcd at 6m, with an estimate of 120k at 10m. Maxtoch's 10m tests showed 122 and 124kcd for two new 2Xs at 10m.
Tonight after dedoming, my 2X's peak reading is 237kcd at 6m, with an estimate of 245-250kcd at 10m - where throwers perform best. It is helluva powerful for a basic light with a 5 minute dedome! To clarify - the fine little X2000 lights of 2-3 years ago (which had slightly better distance than the Led lenser P7) read 11k lux.
On medium mode it reads 95kcd at 6m - likely about 100kcd at 10m. Its medium is far more than most top lights on high!
Conclusion - amazing performer - great thrower. ANSI distance measure on 245-250kcd = 1000 meters.
We designed the 2X as a bigger head, longer thrower light than the M24. The dedomed M24 by comparison gives 173k lux at 6m - maybe 180 at 10m - but that's not the full story. The lightweight M24 is designed as both scope torch and handheld spottie and dedomed gives 500yd body visibility on larger animals - with naked eye. Sure the 2X gives more but it is heavier and more suited for handheld role - or occasionally as scope torch for super long range shooting.
The all-purpose M24 is selling like crazy - maybe 50 bought by kiwis in last 2-3 weeks. The 2X will sell fewer but this very powerful light will still have many uses. It can also be tuned to 350-400k lux giving huge power and peak distance of 1.25 kilometers.
Maxtoch development work now done for time being - go get them. And then dedome them! Amazing
So will be anyone who has been to his house since, he was bad enough with the lenser !Quote:
Originally Posted by crnkin
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Have any of you guys compared this torch to an Ultrafire C8 or similar. My C8's got an XM-L2, U2 bin emitter pushing 3amps so in theory the Maxtoch shouldn't be any brighter, but will have longer battery life. Can anyone compare the difference?
I've ordered one so I hope it is better than my C8 as it's 6x the price and twice the weight, the biggest difference I can see would come from the deeper reflector which will give it better throw, like comparing my WF-502B to my C8
Some of the little C8s are good wee torches but being pretty cheap the quality from various manufacturers varies alot. We tested quite alot and they were in the range 15-33k lux in standard form - about half the output of the early Maxtochs SNs. They are nowhere near the output of the M24 or upgraded 2X with their high quality components and bigger reflectors, but of course you are not paying too much for them.
C8s are good for shotgun mounting. Being XML led based you can play with them and improve them much more than say led lenser lights.
Yeah c8s are great all round lights but if you wanna see a deer at 800m, it ain't gonna cut it.
Xml2-U2 on copper at 3 amps and ar lens is roughly 1100 lumens and maybe 40-45kcd. Dedomed at 4 amps I think roughly 110kcd.
Xpg2 1/1.4x smaller hotspot, roughly 130kcd at 4 amps
Xpe2, 1/2 size spot of xml2, roughly 150kcd at 3 amps
Chris
We shot 600 rabbits one night last year with 80kcd c8s with xpg2. Perfect out to 200m, my new ones great to 300m, deer further, all dependent on humidity.
Chris
I'll be happy when my M24 arrives then, my best modded spotlight was a C10 XM-L2 on copper plug @3.5A.
Hopefully the M24 is better than my rangi homemade HID spotlight.
I never thought of running an XPG2, do you just run them on a stock XML driver @3A, I thought they'd heat up too fast overdriven
The new M24 Maxtoch would tune to over 300kcd and the 2Xs will likely run up to about 400.
I don't hotrod my lights to that extent but there is certainly use for them. One of our team wants one super long range light to sit on his 243 - 300-400m shooting. He will pick up the bunnies with the other dedomed maxis at that range but he wants a scope mounted light able to absolutely daylight them for clear body shots. So for this role a tuned up 2X at 350-400kcd is perfect - runtime and heating not an issue as its an on/off light only.
We did try XPG2 in the maxi 2X but went back to XMLs for greater beam width - but that is because we use them as paddock scanning spotlights as well. just a matter of choice re beam use.
I wish I knew the language you guys speak. XPG2 this and kcd that. Feels like I'm left in the dark :O_O:
Sarcasm wont improve the darkness, but I like it!
Ahhh they must have changed their policy since I last checked thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
Lumens = total light output, but this output can be dispersed in all directions eg a lightbulb. High lumens eg from a multi led torch with several small reflectors might typically give you alot of flood but less throw.
Intensity of the torch's beam hotspot is measured in lux or candela. kcd = thousands of candela. A torch's beam hotspot might be expressed as say 100k lux (or one hundred thousand lux) or 100kcd. High lux/kcd torches are throwers.
XML leds have very powerful lumen output but XML lights can be very good throwers when they have wide reflectors eg 63-68 like these two maxtochs. The xml leds also retain good beam width = multipurpose lights
XPG2 is another type of led - generally gives high lux/kcd but without the beam width. More towards pencil beam.
Both good leds - depending on what you want to do with your light. XMLs probably the most popular leds on the planet today.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/11/y7e3uryz.jpgWhat about one of these?
A @crnkin
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Those multi LED torches are a bit of a have running off 1 or 2 batteries as the real limiting factor is heat dissipation and battery life so you don't really get much advantage over running a single emitter. Then you also get a really wide beam and not as tight a spot. Although saying that I have run a multi LED light on my bike torch and was quite effective for that purpose
+1
Great fun lights but not ideal hunters.
550kcd, close to 5000 lumens, spot the same size as domed sn6x-2x, with three times the spill. If you use the same measurements as above, you can spot a deer body to 1483 metres.
Runs off 3 batteries, 3 leds running at 4.5 amps x 3.7 volts is only 13.5 watts each, all on copper with hundreds of grams of heat sinking.
It runs cooler than any maxtoch ever will, but run time is only 45 minutes. Batteries weigh 50 grams each.
Just one example of the 50 odd modified torches I have on my workbench not being used, so lent it to Abe for a test. Parts cost about $300.
For whoever was tripping about xml speak:
XML2 is 2mmx2mm
XPG2 is 1.4mmx1.4mm
XPE2 is 1mmx1mm
Your spot size will change by exactly the same size as the die, as will your lumens, but your lux reading (surface brightness) will go up (generally).
The ideal light is different for everyone.
Chris
My M24 just arrived! Initial impressions are WOW... good quality, dual O rings on the rear cap plus a spare rear cap switch. Even the pouch it comes in is substantial and well made. Cant wait to test it out on some possums!...sigh!, once the torn miniscus in my right knee heals up :X3: in the interim it looks like the neighbours cats are in for a nasty surprise tonight ;)
I've just ordered one of the M24s too. Then I suppose I'll be re reading the defining instructions or sending it to you @gadgetman!
De doming. No thanks to auto correst
@gadgetman are they out of stock or not making any more ? Sorry, this item is no longer available! that's all it says on the site
Still advertising on AliExpress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy
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Actually it looks like they've made a couple of changes and is now the M24S and grey anodizing.
Edit: Apparently they have been cleaned out of available stock of the black by someone.
Ah ha that's why it said none. Cheers just ordered Grey one of those. 1300 Lumens same or 100 better ?Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
They have made a couple of mods and upped the output slightly. Will have the black back in stock in a couple of weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy
ordered the grey one in the weekend as well as charger and batterys ,cant wait couple of swede paddocks I know of getting nailed at the moment:omg:
@gadgetman or anyone else,
Are there any compatible remote pressure on/off switches on a curly cord, for use when mounting the new Maxtoch on a rifle?
The one that I ordered with my older SN series torch ended up being unsuitable. Please post a link if there is such a beastie for the 1200 lumen one.
There is one coming out very shortly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere