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[QUOTE=Ftx325;1044633]I would be very keen, but the knife I am keen to sheath probably isn’t worthy of your work - sentimental value to me but maybe a bit rough around d the edges for work like yours! If no one else is keen, but I think your stuff deserves better than my huckery old knife!Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter Al.7mm08
[QUOTE=7x64;1044703]Can you throw up a pic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ftx325
The knife I made the antler handle and sheath for was a$30 tard-me knife... hardly anything special by anyone's estimate.
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Handle needs oiled, old carbon thing that’s been reshaped.
That's a cool old warhorse that looks like it's seen many a battle.... If I were you I would have a go at making a sheath yourself. A nice small knife like that wouldn't be difficult. You can probably pick up some leather offcuts on trademe big enough for the job. Make the sheath in the style of the pig hunting knives so only an inch or so of the handle is poking out the top to grip the knife and wet mold around the shape of the handle. To add a little character to the sheath you could lace it together rather than sow it. All you would need is a hole punch . You could even use Paracord as lace....just remove the inner threads and just use the outer covering as the lace. Just melt the ends and roll it to create a point to push through your holes . I would make it a sandwich style (as in two pieces of leather stitched together around the outside like ai.7mm08 has done rather than folding the leather like I do). Make the back section twice the size of the desired sheath so you can fold it over like folding a sheet of paper in half an lace it to the sheath when you lace it all together but leave enough of your fold unlaced to create the belt loop. Just make sure you have a leather piece between the inside and outside layers 10mm or so wide that your stitching/ lacing loops through to protect it from the blade cutting through it when knife is taken in and out. If you look closely at the photo you can see the middle layer of leather which is there solely as thread protection...
Does any of that make sense?
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Great tips! I’ve actually got leather lace and rivets etc - my father did work at one point and have a few of his bits and pieces. I think I follow most of that except “sandwich” and then wrap around using a piece twice the size? You mean make the sheath from two pieces, but then wrap with an additional piece around that?
I do have some leather but it’s not very thick. I guess doing as described above might solve that issue? But I’ll keep an eye out for something else. Will be fun to give it a go.
Sorry mate..bit hard to describe. I have just quickly cut some pieces of card to try snd describe better what I mean..Quote:
Originally Posted by 7x64
First photo would be the three pieces you would need. 1st piece the outside layer . The second piece would be the thread/blade protection, especially if using rivets as you don't want your blade scraping against them every time you take knife in or out of sheath. Second photo is the protection piece in place... pretty self explanatory.. and you make that so the blade has a little wiggle room. Then the third photo is all the layers and the extra length on the backing is folded back on itself to create the belt loop. The loop placement will depend on how long your extra loop is. If you want it to hang lower then make it longer and judt sow/rivet/lace it all together. You could make it so when its folded back it runs the full length of the sheath and adds and extra layer and stiffness to the unit .
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Oh and by the way you will need to glue these all into place first and let it dry , preferably in a vice with smooth wood or another piece of leather either side to prevent marking your sheath. This is where my big arse heavy pile of books came in handy as I made mine during winter evenings on the lounge floor and just chucked a pile of books on top and shoved it in front of the fire.
Not very professional I know but worked a treat.
To bloody cold in the shed... and at least the missus couldn't accuse me of spending to much time out there..ha ha
Awesome, thanks for taking the time to do that, totally clear! Starting to get it organised in my head. Once I’ve tracked down some materials I’ll post up some pics if it’s not too disastrous! ��
This :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7x64
I really appreciate you taking the time to go through this.
Which glues are suitable for this sort of work?
Do you have any worries about sharp blades slicing through the sheath in a fall?
Any hardware store should have glue suitable for the job... usually says on the tube if ok for leather. Any wood type glue should work ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ooops
As for slicing through the sheath I have not heard of that being an issue. In my style of folded leather sheath the blunt edge rides against the fold and the sharp edge runs against the middle insert but the tip doesn't extend down far enough to contact inside of sheath. The sheath is also wet molded around the base of the handle and if done correctly is what you could call skin tight. When the leather has dried it becomes a hard sloid shape that stays that way . As you can see in the first photo even with the knife out the sheath still retsins its shape... you can't even squeeze it flat. If you notice the sheath bulge is exactly the same shape as the knife handle and the second photo shows this from the front. That prevents the blade going any deeper into the sheath. The third photo is the inside of sheath opening showing the open moulding around the handle and the narrow slot the blade slides into. There's no way that's going any deeper into that sheath as the handle prevents that happening. You can also see in that shot how the handle molding wraps around the base of the handle. As the knife is slipped into the sheath the finger guard forces the handle wrap apart then drops into the sheath which then closes over it and locks the knife in place. For that reason some do not like that because it usually takes two hands to draw the knife as you need to hold the sheath when you pull the knife out. It can also be tricky getting the angles and shape right when you make it so it opens up when you push knife in.
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thanks for taking the time to share your skills and pictures here in your own thread I've really enjoyed reading up on what you've been able to make :thumbsup:
Three more photos showing how the sheath opens to accept the knife...
First pic the handle is starting to slide into molding.
In secong pic you can see how finger guard/bulge forces sheath apart....
Third photo and the handle molding closes over knife as it drops into place and locks it in there
It holds it strong enough that you can turn the sheath upside down and shake it until you get wankers cramp and the big ole heavy seven inched 4.5 mm thick bladed knife stays snuggled in there...Attachment 146480Attachment 146481Attachment 146482
Of course you could just use a safety strap with a popper or a full fold over lid/flap like any other sane person would...lol
Wow some nice looking sheath's, will be having a go myself when my knife is finished. Dad has all my grandparents leather tools so will be using them.
Good on you mate .... It's really not too difficult as long as you take your time and think it through and decide on your design and how you want it to look before you start. Wet molding can sometimes be a bit of a challenge depending on the knife shape. I am more than happy to offer any help or hints / advice I can but again as a disclaimer I am no professional leather worker , these are things I have learned along the way , and I have had a few cockups as well . The Bk7 sheath was actually one of the cockups... I made the sheath and sowed it all together then realized I had forgotten a belt loop. Thats when I came up with the sleeve idea. Now I do all my sheaths that way. So again , plan it all out first before you start and enjoy the feeling of creating your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruawai
And make sure you post some pics! Looking forward to seeing the finished article!
No need to limit yourself to knife sheaths either. After making ammo holder on lever action I did a matching sling...Attachment 146637
I've had this design in my head for a while now,after talking with @Ftx325 the other day I decided to give it go.Rather pleased with the result[emoji846]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9e25c5c232.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a65648a7b4.jpg
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That's very cool hunter Al.7mm08 . I been looking out for some cheap basic tooling equipment since our conversation too... you might have some competition soon haha. :thumbsup:
I would be very keen to take you up on the offer of a sheaf if this was still ppssible. They look absolutely aweasome.
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Originally Posted by hunter Al.7mm08
Wow Hunter that is very cool
Did you start by drawing it onto the leather or did you work entirely from a mental image?
Very, very cool
Thanks mate.I drew the design on paper first then traced it on to baking paper.After wetting the leather place the baking paper on the leather and copy over the pattern with something small n blunt like a biro,or @Ftx325 teaspoon technique would work.When finished the design should be imprinted in the leather.
Mistakes on paper are a lot easier to fix than ones on leather!
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I was looking through the grandfathers tools.Looks like he made a few himself from bolts.If you have a bench grinder n a few files might be something to try?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...bffd4dd67c.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Ftx325
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That's a cunning idea... might have to give that a go. Still wouldn't mind a swivel knife though.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter Al.7mm08
It's surprising what you can do with a small blunt instrument though.
Missus bought a Suzuki 4wd and wanted a keyring so knocked this out in an hour start to finish...just free-handed the car logo with teaspoon handle tip.Attachment 147141
Is that request for me or @hunter Al.7mm08 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gapped axe
This is the sheath for my go-to hunting knife which is only ever used for butchering in the field. It is a Knives of Alaska Alpha Wolf in cryogenically treated D2 steel. Excellent little knife.
This is what my basic sheaths look like before adding sleeve and belt loop. This one doesn't have sleeve or loop as it just goes in my belt pouch. The blade is around 3inches or so long and the sheath is only around an inch and a half wide....note I have removed the Chicago screw half way down to show the 5mm hole it would be in. The top screw still in supports the opening and stitching and there would be 2 holes down the side below handle molding for a sleeve if I was going to fit one...the second missing screw is just more support for the stitching.Attachment 147159
This sheath does not open like the bk7 one does as the knife handle is the wrong shape for this to work. This is what you would describe as a friction hold sheath. It's still molded to the lower section of handle and most of the first finger grip on the handle which still holds very firm... again two hands are required to remove knife but doesn't lock over knife like bk7 but it ain't gunna fall out as the shaping alone holds it but is just flexible enough to move when knife put in or out.Attachment 147160
You can see how the sheath again matches the contours of the handle but from the top you can see it's just an open hole. Again all edges are burnished to finish for that smooth polished wood look. If you look closely in first and second photos you can see the dip in the sheath outer skin where the inside edge of the protection strip extends to to protect blade/stitching.
So that is the basic starting point for my sheaths then sleeves etc are added so if for some reason belt loops or sleeves are damaged they are easily replaced without having to make a hole new sheath. Also if you want an over the knife safety strap with popper etc then these can be built into the sleeve rather than having any metal from the back of the popper or rivets or stitching in/on the sheath itself which also protects the blade.
Phew... Does that novel make any sense to anyone?
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There she is ...it must be getting late.... been out bush all day chasing large furry animals and starting to feel my age..lol
Nice!.you might have to pattent that "teaspoon" technique [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Ftx325
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I think your design has certain advantages @Ftx325 .A bit like buying the base model ute and then adding options to customize it the way you want[emoji848].
Ps.Did you catch up with any of those large furry animals?
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Spooked a fallow we were stalking when slipped and tripped on a wet tree root....to concentrated on deer and not watching my footing - doh .Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter Al.7mm08
Mind you freezer full at mo anyway so probably a good thing. Missus got her first goat with Howa 7.62 x 39 so she happy camper.... wasn't worth buying a bigger freezer for that though...smelly old bugger I reckon it died of a heart attack...just happened to be when she shot at it...:D
That last knife is very similar to my D2 hunting one. Bro made me 3: skinner, drop point and my general hunting one
I have a speing fair coming up on Labour Weekend where I NORMALL PUT SOMOE CRAFTS OUT. ONLY TO HAPPY TO DISPLAY YOUR PRODUCTS IF YOU LIKE. Im dying of mmm,cancer ya yay yay, but have a huge following out here. Google BosArt Tarawera, might give some answers. Very much still hunting and active. Watched your piggies and a couple of Fallow whilst keeping up to date with the farm yesterday
I have 4 Knives of Alaska now in my collection. The Alpha Wolf in the photo , the Bush Camp with 5.5 inch blade , a small hatchet with 2 or so inch blade and gut hook on the back - very handy little knife that one , and a small 2 inch bladed round nosed skinner where the cutting edge wraps around the nose of the blade and extends halfway up the back of the blade. very handy skinner as you can sweep the blade back and forth and cut in both directions . All the same treated D2 steel. I have also bought one of them for my daughter for her hunting knife , Elk hunter i think that was called . I have been very impressed with them and would happily recommend them to anyone . :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gapped axe
Mate , just had a quick peek at your website (don't tell the boss, should be working) and you are a true master craftsman. I appreciate the offer of displaying some of my bits and pieces but they do not deserve to be anywhere near your masterpieces!! That would be some kind of blasphemy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gapped axe
Also as mentioned I make the sheath literally around the specific knife rather than just a sheath to put a knife in , so all I have are the ones our own hunting knives live in which are in constant use and all others are with the owners of the knives I made them for.
I am very sorry to hear about your health.... you sound like the kinda guy who thinks of others long before you think of yourself going by your biography on your site and are the last person who deserves to be suffering from such an illness. I wish you all the best in your battles to come. All any of us can do is try to make the best of every day we are given with friends and family , they are all a gift , every single one of them , and to many of us take them for granted until it's to late . My hats off to you sir......
Thank you for those words. My display set up normally is on top of a couple of Fallow skins on a table. I normally theme it up a bit with pig jaws and the odd antler or two. Your pouch would just be sitting on the table covering my knife but I would like your permission to display it and also to gauge if there is any interest.
If you would like me to make you one and you feel the finished product is worthy of display I have no problem with that . Fire through the pic of your knife and we can chat about what you want done...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gapped axe
And for something a little different here is an ankle bracelet for my better half of braided leather. Note this is one single piece of leather offcut .
I have been thinking about how maybe I could incorporate this into a sheath maybe as edging to the sleeve...something like the last photo but not so large...
Any thoughts on this @hunter Al.7mm08 or anyone?
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I do heaps of wire rope braiding, on the web page that braiding is gold. Comes up nice.
So much awesomeness, I don’t know where to start!
@ Ftx325 & hunter Al.7mm08
What an awesome thread, being in a different time zone I wake up every morning looking forward to reading the latest revelations.
I asked for some pointers and I’m getting a master class.
You’ve all really inspired me to have a go at this, I can’t thank you enough, absolutely awesome information and display of talent
Keep posting guys, I’m living vicariously through you
@Ftx325
The modularity of your sheath carry options is very clever. Hunter is spot on with his comment about the base model ute and the options to customise.
@ hunter Al.7mm08
people’s ingenuity never ceases to amaze me. You must get a real buzz out of using tools that your grandfather thought up, made & used. I bet he’s smiling down on you.
@Gapped axe
I’m sorry to hear about your health issues. I’ve been going through a few hard times my self but this puts things in perspective and makes me appreciate what I have. You humble me sir. I too wish you the very best of luck in your battle
Your work is fantastic but I’m particularly drawn to the bracelet in your special projects section, very special, simple & elegant.
Just quickly threw this together... the leather is still the 3.5mm so a bit thick for what I was thinking but you get the idea. Could also be done on the bottom edge....
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@Ooops thanks for the comments mate,much appreciated [emoji106] @Ftx325 The braiding would definitely add another dimension to yout work[emoji848]perhaps something like this around th edge of the loop?.Or a vertical braid running up the centre,sorry can't find a pic to explain.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...306ca1bc3e.jpg
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