Scary Inreach fail

Jump to 1:08 and read the messages of what was happening. You'll probably need to pause the video occassionaly to keep up.
I would have hit the SOS way sooner (after first fall over drop and full immersion). Good lesson why a proper PLB is required that has an antenna and then hit the button when shit starts to happen and not many 'oh fu@ks, she'll be rights' later.

Below copied from another NZ hunting forum
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So some guy gets in a situation where he feels the need to activate the SOS on his INREACH but it doesn't exactly work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CPw9QK7wPw
It is all at the end of the video 1:14:44 is of importance .

How the guy got in the situation is not that important , the fact that the rescue was a co*k up IS.
I have found the INREACH slow to transmit and receive probably due to a lack of sattilites
The other thing to do is increase your list of contacts and tell them in some detail where you are going to be

there was another thread on here recently about long delays (5 days? from memory) in msg's getting thru on InReach. Has any one got info or updates from Garmin about whats going on and when they intend to fix it ?

I sure wouldn't be risking my life by not taking a dedicated PLB. There is a reason they are designed how they are, with a powerful transmitter and receiver, and a battery that wont be run down by other energy sucking nick knacks. I think the inreach is a handy bit of kit as long as you are not staking your life on it.

@223nut ???

Yeah was @223nut and my mate a few weeks back up the Hopkins (separate parties) Mates one said it had sent msg, however it wasn't received until much later by the recipient (think it was 5 days). Not sure if he's followed up with Garmin... must ask him.

Personally I feel the messaging devices such as the Inreach and Spot etc are a great addition to a PLB but definitely don't replace it!

I use a Spot tracker for work daily and know it can be a bit hit or miss at times (overall very good 90% of the time) and after talking with a few rescue pilots there's no way id be relying on one if things go pear shaped.

Yeah after following the greentree story, fuck all that for a laugh. PLB for me all they way. Might eventually buy one of the new GPS in reachs though they make sense together and apparently the new ones actually work as a gps too

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Originally Posted by chainsaw

there was another thread on here recently about long delays (5 days? from memory) in msg's getting thru on InReach. Has any one got info or updates from Garmin about whats going on and when they intend to fix it ?

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I have also been having delays with messages, and some not sending at all. Contacted Garmin in April and they were fricken useless! Still hasn't been resolved.

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Originally Posted by Gkp

I have also been having delays with messages, and some not sending at all. Contacted Garmin in April and they were fricken useless! Still hasn't been resolved.

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April, May, June, July........that sure is a big message delay!!! LOL

Well, taking a little chill out time I watched the vid, its was odd. Then I searched the guy and found things like this
Bowhunter Adam Greentree Avoids Conviction for Hunting Deer in National Park - Sporting Shooter and

" Adam Green tree almost killed by wild Hog"
I think that lilly is well guilded.

Iv had an older Delorme inreach for years, on 7 day trip with normal use I ended with 70% battery life. Looking at who he is hes possibly been linking to social media which flattened his battery so maybe take a recharge pack?

He was supposedly stuck in a gorge so limited sky, theres no guarantee any standard PLB would have been much better though may have .
I dont know whats going on with the message delays, Iv never had an issue and I found the delorme guys very good to deal with. Iv dropped my SE 4 feet onto a concrete floor, the screen broke but its fully functional.
Unfortunatly with the switch to Garmin they wont repair it so Ill get the new Garmin 66i in a week or to. Ill give it a good work out and if it performs as well as the old one It will be the only plb I will carry. But I have spent the better part of my life before GPS and PLBS were even a thing so that may be giving me a slightly different outlook.

Ok so I know a little about Vodafone and messaging. There HQ is just down the road and we have a few of there top tec staff as neighbours.
Yes it’s not Garmin but I’d think it’s a similar set up and this is why you might be getting the delay in messages getting through.
So Vodafone and others use a data dump. They find it cheaper or easier to send them as a bunch of messages than each one individually.
Sorry can’t remember the exact details but it’s along those lines. Might answer the question. How many with just your normal phone have had this. I’ve had some good old, “yes I sent you a text honey”...the best one was some jokes where you send the first one and the punchline next except the punchline turns up first like:wtfsmilie::XD:
But for this situation himmm not great :(

That’s the social media dude that got done for poaching, right?

I have an older delorme Inreach. In all the years I’ve been using it I’ve had one message fail. Was in trees and the recipient never got the message even though it said it had sent.

I’ve accidently activated the SOS by mistake and the rescue services were on to it instantly. So I’d have confidence in mine for rescue situations but I also carry a normal PLB (purchased prior to the Inreach), so in a real emergency I’d press both!.

an inreach is not a plb and should not be considered as such. Its more of a handy extra rescue aid using a different satellite system

I have not had message problems that I know of.

Have had coverage issues but only in the Thar camp here in NZ. Worked flawlessly overseas.

Thar camp is a steep narrow area that doesn't see much sky. Even the sat phone struggles for a connection.
An inreach is not or meant to be a PLB.



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I stand corrected and revise my earlier post to: The inreach will be the only satellite communication/SOS device I will carry.

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That’s the social media dude that got done for poaching, right?

I have an older delorme Inreach. In all the years I’ve been using it I’ve had one message fail. Was in trees and the recipient never got the message even though it said it had sent.

I’ve accidently activated the SOS by mistake and the rescue services were on to it instantly. So I’d have confidence in mine for rescue situations but I also carry a normal PLB (purchased prior to the Inreach), so in a real emergency I’d press both!.

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Yes thats him, that you tube vid read like a bad american reality tv show.

dedicated PLB for me. If I need to ever press that button I want the bloody thing to work. And half the reason I go in the hills is so people can't message me LOL

He seems like a complete muppet then it comes to putting himself and others at risk. I noted he has comments on that video disabled. Not surprising.

I was hunting with a couple of Aussies a month ago that knew and idolised that fella.
They are not to fond of and don't have anything to do with him now.



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A bit like Bear Gylls then. Most outdoor instructors rip him for what he has people do. Credit to him though for encouraging some to adventure outside air conditioned shopping malls.
Problem is some of these type people through video editing make it look too easy, until it goes wrong then they tend not to show those parts, or worse try to gain following from it. This guy is prime example. Likely future Darwin award winner?

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I was hunting with a couple of Aussies a month ago that knew and idolised that fella.
They are not to fond of and don't have anything to do with him now.



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Apparently Greentree lost a couple of US sponsors after news of his poaching antics was made public, rightly so.

He seems to adamantly promote New Zealand as a place that you can showup to and shoot as many animals as you like, I don't really think he does any favours for the NZ Hunting community. He should be encouraging international hunters to use proper guides, IMO.

Could also work the other way.
If enough people see their hero hunter needing to activate a rescue, it might steer them to guides. [emoji16]

Once they make it harder to bring firearms into NZ it will work for everyone.

Too many Aussies treat the place as their own back yard.
I don't really have a problem with that. It is the idiots that take 100 rnds of ammo with them and shoot everything that moves.
Once Thar numbers are reduced in the ballot blocks they will lose interest or look for guides.
Over a 1000 were shot in 3 days last week.


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yeah it was mine, 5 day delay for messages to get out. then a confused wife when she gets a text saying i'm somewhere when i;ve moved a few 100 kms to another area and no phone reception!

got emails back from inreach regarding thew delay... they are trying to say its the wrong contact number (same message convercation i have used in the past so the number is right) yet to get a decent helpful person on the end of the phone to get to the bottom of the problem

its why i always have a @CooeeBay PLB have always wondered about the big red byutton on the inreach. had the same happen years ago with an early SPOT decive, my end said messages sent but werent going through. had search and rescue show up in the helicopter checking on me as folks at home were getting concerned

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Originally Posted by R93

Too many Aussies treat the place as their own back yard.
I don't really have a problem with that. It is the idiots that take 100 rnds of ammo with them and shoot everything that moves.
Once Thar numbers are reduced in the ballot blocks they will lose interest or look for guides.
Over a 1000 were shot in 3 days last week.

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Our Aussie mates are just helping us out with our pest problem.

I have a problem with my Inreach at present and now been a week with problem still not resolved
It wont send and receive and when does its 3 days later.The support number worked and have referred my problem to the USA to fix .
Liked the idea of being flexible able to tell wife whats going on staying longer etc .Seem Inreach not fit for purpose and now doubt i will have any faith in it .
As its new think im just going to give it back to the shop but i doubt thats going to work out well.

Its like anything, first impressions count. If you have a bad run with something the kiwi way is to write it off "its shit" - "it dont wont work" - "they're rubbish dont get one"
Conversely if its does what it says on the box and you never have any problems its great and you would recommend it.

Mine has work faultlessly in Fiordland, Landsborough, Molesworth and Ruahines.
I also carry a PLB. Now there is nothing to say that the PLB wont work either.
It is the risk we take when we go into the wilderness. We all know it, accept it and are prepared for it. Well I know I am, not sure if everyone out there is.
I ALWAYS have a contingency of where,when and what Im doing and the day to put the balloon up if not out.

I think the you tube vid is prob light on facts and heavy on a ill prepared person with buggerall experience and respect for NZ Alpine conditions.

Inreach works off the iridium network so multiple moving satellites which may or not be in-view when you want to send your message. Inreach units will keep trying to send your message till the land earth station acknowledges reciept (this does not guarantee delivery) where as spot trys to send it it 3 times and then calls it delivered!! Both use the same satellite system.
PLBs use different sat system which is geosynchronous (sats are stationary over equator)

I wondered how foolish this guy is and found this interview. It's him talking about that day. He's a sweary glory boy story teller for sure. Hoping he's not coming back to NZ anytime soon as he'll need rescued again, or recovered.
https://youtu.be/yY_GGDmLJNs

Guy needs to learn to read a map.
Every contour line tells a story.



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I wondered how foolish this guy is and found this interview. It's him talking about that day. He's a sweary glory boy story teller for sure. Hoping he's not coming back to NZ anytime soon as he'll need rescued again, or recovered.
https://youtu.be/yY_GGDmLJNs

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Pretty sure that's him talking about a similar situation for 2018, not the most recent one...


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More evidence to support the fact that overseas hunters should have to use a guide to access westland. If he had the local knowledge of that area theres many relatively straight forward routes off those tops.

Enforcing the use of guides is going to be pretty hard to legislate. Firearms restrictions on visitors would be the easy way to do it, but I thought "we" were all against rules and legislation. Besides, this guy was bow hunting. It might be easier from a legal standpoint if we had some game animals in NZ, but since they are all pests, I can't see it gaining any traction.

Never got an valid answer from my phonecalls or anything useful from emails but it seems to have been working ok again

I have found garmin to be one of the worst companies around to deal with when it comes to faults, try to blame the user and ignore that there is an issue with the product as if to admit there is would devalue their lines. Very gun shy about buying anything more from them after failures with astro setup

Emailed then asking to have my contract out on hold, now have to log onto the Garmin site. Never had to so now need to remember passwords and / or create an account!

Surely it can be done from their end!