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What’s the go these days. I’ve been using a thermorest since 2009. Nothing wrong with it I’m just after something that packs down smaller. I’m sure technology has come a fair way since then.
What’s everyone using ? Are Klymit ultralite sleeping mats any good ?
Get the 'treklite 6' from Torpedo7. I am same as you - Thermorest for years, never a bad sleep etc. but when camped with mopheadrob I tried his treklite and it is vastly superior to a thermorest for comfort and it folds in half and packs down small - 1/3rd the size of a thermorest. Mine was purchased on a promo for $63 down from $149
Thank you will check it out
Now have a portable 'sleep where you stop camp'. Treklite pad, Fairydown bivy bag, Halo sleeping bag, sleeping bag liner, inflatable pillow, homemade small fly total 2.7kg plus I use my 'Gamegear carry cape' as protection / groundsheet under the bivy bag, cape also doubles as a rain coat. Not as light as Cuban Fibre etc but not as expensive ...
I've used an Exped ul7 for about the last 5 years and really like it. Weights 450gms (7cm thick) but I see they now do a lite version at only 390 gms (5cm). Has an R value of of 3.3 or temp rating of -4
Recently purchased the Exped SynMat HL. Its a tapered cut which keeps the weight down but reduces the amount of foot area right down. I'm a restless sleeper and managed to say on it rather than sliding off. It weights 430 gms (9cm thick), has an R value of 4.9 and temp rating down to -17. Both come with a Schnozzel Pumpbag UL for inflation that can also be used as a dry bag.
Never slept on a Thermarest mat, which are a bit more expensive and have been told they are really noisy to sleep on but others may be able to comment on that.
Both purchased from Bivouac but the latter was on line only
Exped and thermolites are great, I must be a fool as i'm still using a foam roll from my shoulders to hips... only 5mm thick.
+1 for exped, when you need that bit of extra warmth and comfort in the hills its worth the extra money when in town.
Always had simple foam rolls then brought a winter model exped with down in it the cat used as a scratching post (topic for another day how long my partners cat will wait till it mets a messy end) replaced it with a other exped. Bit of a hassle filli g it with the schnozzle bag but you get the hang of it, if there is a light breeze it makes things go quicker
I would much rather have a robust mat than one of them silly bloody spaceman material insulated jobs. Had a Neoair Xtherm and it destroyed itself first time out. They are a have also and the law of diminishing returns comes into play with them big time, in a lab under controlled environments they provide an advantage as far as being warmer but they provide less extra warmth than a slightly better sleeping bag, or throwing your jacket under your mat. I would much prefer a mat I know I can count on than something that costs twice as much, gonna give me a "slightly" warmer sleep but you have to breathe on it the right way or it will develop a tear.
I have an exped one. Goes good. I'm carefull not to inflate it right up as I think too much prerssure is what causes them to fail.
Whichever inflatable mat you end up with.. if you’re leaving camp set up for the day, always always partially deflate or open the valve on the mat, so it doesn’t expand and pressure the seams as the day warms up.
I’ve got an exped downmat, which is great and has treated me well for several years (although only very occasional use). Probably the hyperlite and winterlites are the pick of the exped range for now.
When not using, I leave the mat unrolled and spread out under the bed, fully deflated. (Obviously don’t do this if you have cats etc that spend time under the bed..)
I’ve had most brands, the best I found is the Klymit, they’re also a lot cheaper than the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan F
I’ve also got a Exped Downmat, that’s OK but my ones the short version and I prefer the Klymit - the best nights sleep I’ve ever had in the bush.
What does it pack down to Craig ?Quote:
Originally Posted by craigc
I am following this with interest I have an older bottom of range thermarest, its about 16mm thick inflated (self inflating plus a breath or two) and generally the insulation is more than I want and its quite bulky packed down so I often leave it behind if camping on tussock and just put all my clothes and gear under me.
Was in town under duress the other day and looked at a small packed thermarest in torpedo 7 for just short of 500 bucks!
I would like to upgrade too.
Things that matter to me
Pack size.
Price.
Thickness of inflation.
I can highly recommend the Kathmandu Cabana.
Inflated Dimensions - 35cm H x 150cm W x 203cm L (ie queen size)
Material - Upper Micro suede with 23kgs/m3 foam
- Base PVC
Weight 9.85kg
240v pump supplied
Attachment 128052
Not a light weight, and a bit bulky, but makes glamping in the woolshed pure bliss. Comes in handy for those difficult marital situations as well :)
Sea to Summit make a range of pads. Particularly a ultralight insulated pad with a R value of about 4.
I have one now with about 10 bush nights on it and it makes for a good sleep. Use it with a macpac Neve bag. The Neve only has down on the top so your pad fitted into a pocket keeps your under side warm.
If your able to it may be worth tracking down a couple of Matt's with different designs in terms of how the lines run vertically or horizontally an try lying on them to see which type you prefer. The comfort is quite different on each.
I have a Klymit Ultralite and have had no trouble with it comfortable to sleep on back and side and I’m not a small fulla either! It packs down small just need about 10 big breaths to inflate it.
Exped SynMat UL Sleeping Mats.
Have one in a long wide.
Gives you a bit more room.
Arms don,t fall off.
some time mid 90's I moved to a thermorest from a foam roll.
Just recently moved to an Exped down mat. Love it.
You do need to avoid the temptation to blow it up and use the built in pump. Don't want moisture in the down.
They do make lighter models but online research suggests the ultra light mats have a limited life. 200gr was not worth it to me.
620gr and 3.5ltr volume R=4.1
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Ps probably the Exped Syn mats would make more sense for our damp weather but I liked the idea of down insulation.
+1 Thermarest NeoAir XLite, comfortable, very light and packs down well. Take care of them and they'll last. Lifetime warranty on them. I've slept over 250 nights on one. R-Value of 3.2. They're much cheaper if you import from Amazon. Landed on your doorstep including GST for around $220-230 NZD. Hard to beat...
I like the Exped mats. Got a downmat lite 5 first (~650g), then later a synmat hyperlite 7 (~360g) to save weight for walking up big hills and not have to be so careful about getting moisture in it.
I actually find the downmat 5 comfier despite being thinner, different shaped baffles and I prefer it pumped up firmer so the thickness doesn't matter as much.
The hyperlite is good too but a bit narrower as it tapers towards the feet, so if you roll around in your sleep your feet/legs can hang off the edge onto the ground.
Get the schnozzle bag for inflating them instead of the silly little pump, heaps quicker. 2-3 bags of air and its done.
Once I finally got one one I fell pretty stupid about how many years I'd stubbornly used a foam roll and thought inflatable mats were only for softies.
I support that. My Sea to Summit Ether Light XT is pretty comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicko
Trying to compare the xtherm and the xlite at the moment for year round use, if anyone has had both and can offer same advice.
The xlite is 90 grams lighter but for that much weight are you better off with the xtherm with the heavier bottom material. They say they are both the same size once rolled up but not sure that is actually the case.
Xtherm is worth the 90gms. Lifts you right off the ground, sliding of the side is like falling out the top bunk ;)
For what it's worth I got a vaude down filled sleeping mat. Reasonably durable. Seems to be pretty warm but haven't taken it anywhere cold yet.
+1 for the the xtherm, i have had nothing but good nights sleep on them.
I watched a heap of youtube videos etc with people testing them against the other brands exped etc and they came out on top. for 430grams and a rating of 5.7 its pretty good
I see the newer neoairs have increased there R rating for the same weight. Even tho the xlite has a good enough r rating for most i think i would still lean toward the xtherm for the 70d base
Xtherm has gone from 5.7 to 6.9
Xlite has gone from 3.2 to 4.2
If I was going to buy a sleeping pad tomorrow it'd be the sea to summit ether light xt womens model. Put a bit of closed cell under it and it'd be sweet.
